Hetzner launches object storage (s3)

havoc · October 7

Still in beta but looks promising

https://docs.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/

The terraform compatibility in particular is neat

DataRecovery · October 7

@havoc said: object storage

Their own storage boxes are cheaper as well as at least a couple of established competitors.

thagoat · October 7

I have a 5 TB storage box and use it for offsite backup. €11 per month is the best rate going

willie · October 7

The 1 euro/TB bandwidth charge is killer, if it includes internal bandwidth as S3 providers like to do.

evnix · October 7

its nice to have a EU alternative to the more main stream providers

havoc · October 7

@DataRecovery said:

@havoc said: object storage

Their own storage boxes are cheaper as well as at least a couple of established competitors.

Yeah you don't go for object storage if aim is cheapest price per gig

mwt · October 9

I wish they also planned to offer in their US location

caasify · October 9

The project seems intriguing, but we are currently using Wasabi and are considering transitioning to the Hetzner solution.

vitobotta · October 11

Has anyone started to use it and can comment on whether there are some weird limitations or bugs?

ialexpw · October 11

@vitobotta said:
Has anyone started to use it and can comment on whether there are some weird limitations or bugs?

I just got accepted into it, but haven't used it yet! Will set something up in a little bit to do some testing.

Screens

vitobotta · October 11

@ialexpw said:

@vitobotta said:
Has anyone started to use it and can comment on whether there are some weird limitations or bugs?

I just got accepted into it, but haven't used it yet! Will set something up in a little bit to do some testing.

Screens

Would appreciate if could update the thread with your first impressions. It's mostly for personal backups and stuff. I was using iDrive e2 until they had a full day outage in the Frankfurt region causing me some headaches so I switched to StorJ a few days ago, but I get sometimes the error "Please reduce your request rate" and I was surprised to learn the default is 100 req/sec only, which isn't much when you do backups with a tool like Arq. So I requested a limit increase and I am waiting to see if they approve. Anyway I was considering using Hetzner for this instead (since I already use them for other stuff) if it's already in a good shape given that it's still beta.

mannen · October 11

So it seems there is a minimum charge of €5/month + VAT which includes 1TB of storage and 1TB traffic.
Think they should at least be able to offer more than 1TB traffic out, Backblaze for example offers 3x stored/paid egress traffic for free, so 3TB per month should be included in this case for the base price.
Ingress traffic seems to be free.

havoc · October 12

@mannen said:
So it seems there is a minimum charge of €5/month + VAT which includes 1TB of storage and 1TB traffic.
Think they should at least be able to offer more than 1TB traffic out, Backblaze for example offers 3x stored/paid egress traffic for free, so 3TB per month should be included in this case for the base price.
Ingress traffic seems to be free.

Backblaze has no compute though. Say for example you've got a K8S cluster. Each of those nodes is ephemeral/could fail so you need to stick the data somewhere else...like object storage. And you don't want that 50ms away on a different provider if you can help it

adly · October 12

@havoc said:

@mannen said:
So it seems there is a minimum charge of €5/month + VAT which includes 1TB of storage and 1TB traffic.
Think they should at least be able to offer more than 1TB traffic out, Backblaze for example offers 3x stored/paid egress traffic for free, so 3TB per month should be included in this case for the base price.
Ingress traffic seems to be free.

Backblaze has no compute though. Say for example you've got a K8S cluster. Each of those nodes is ephemeral/could fail so you need to stick the data somewhere else...like object storage. And you don't want that 50ms away on a different provider if you can help it

I'd be surprised if there weren't suitable compute options (DigitalOcean, Scaleway, Vultr, etc.) with low latency to Backblaze B2.

havoc · October 13

Currently investigating whether I can (ab)use this as an SQL replacement for low volume tx. The 6 euro minimum is making it a little hard to justify though. Kinda means you have to use it for multiple things. Maybe s3 fuse fs or something

@adly said:

@havoc said:

@mannen said:
So it seems there is a minimum charge of €5/month + VAT which includes 1TB of storage and 1TB traffic.
Think they should at least be able to offer more than 1TB traffic out, Backblaze for example offers 3x stored/paid egress traffic for free, so 3TB per month should be included in this case for the base price.
Ingress traffic seems to be free.

Backblaze has no compute though. Say for example you've got a K8S cluster. Each of those nodes is ephemeral/could fail so you need to stick the data somewhere else...like object storage. And you don't want that 50ms away on a different provider if you can help it

I'd be surprised if there weren't suitable compute options (DigitalOcean, Scaleway, Vultr, etc.) with low latency to Backblaze B2.

True. Though you lose out on the free internal traffic.

adly · October 13

@havoc said: True. Though you lose out on the free internal traffic.

Vultr is also free to/from B2, which could be a viable option. There may be others, the Bandwidth Alliance partner agreements aren't clear beyond to/from Cloudflare.

bjo · October 13

@vitobotta said:
Would appreciate if could update the thread with your first impressions. It's mostly for personal backups and stuff. I was using iDrive e2 until they had a full day outage in the Frankfurt region causing me some headaches so I switched to StorJ a few days ago, but I get sometimes the error "Please reduce your request rate" and I was surprised to learn the default is 100 req/sec only, which isn't much when you do backups with a tool like Arq. So I requested a limit increase and I am waiting to see if they approve. Anyway I was considering using Hetzner for this instead (since I already use them for other stuff) if it's already in a good shape given that it's still beta.

They even provide docs for using Arq (https://storj.dev/dcs/third-party-tools/arq) - somehow stupid that youget issues with the request rate.
I've moved my b2 restic repos now to storj, let's see how it fits.

vitobotta · October 13

@bjo said:

@vitobotta said:
Would appreciate if could update the thread with your first impressions. It's mostly for personal backups and stuff. I was using iDrive e2 until they had a full day outage in the Frankfurt region causing me some headaches so I switched to StorJ a few days ago, but I get sometimes the error "Please reduce your request rate" and I was surprised to learn the default is 100 req/sec only, which isn't much when you do backups with a tool like Arq. So I requested a limit increase and I am waiting to see if they approve. Anyway I was considering using Hetzner for this instead (since I already use them for other stuff) if it's already in a good shape given that it's still beta.

They even provide docs for using Arq (https://storj.dev/dcs/third-party-tools/arq) - somehow stupid that youget issues with the request rate.
I've moved my b2 restic repos now to storj, let's see how it fits.

Seem that the rate limit issue has gone after they raised the limit for me, so all good so far.

havoc · October 13

@adly said:

@havoc said: True. Though you lose out on the free internal traffic.

Vultr is also free to/from B2, which could be a viable option. There may be others, the Bandwidth Alliance partner agreements aren't clear beyond to/from Cloudflare.

Good point - had forgotten about that.

The more I think about this the more I'm disliking the 6 EUR minimum charge. For low volume usage that's brutal. Tempted to stick the thing i was planning to build onto a (eww) oracle free database

Hetzner launches object storage (s3)

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