VPS with DDR3 RAM?
With the present RAM increases we all are seeing, where new RAM is going crazy at 2-4x or more the original pricing last year, at this point, and even refurbished RAM is going many times 1.5-2x the original prices, there's a natural doubt that both customers and (some) providers have been probably having for some time on their heads:
Seller - should I sell VPS servers with DDR3 RAM?
Customer - should I buy VPS servers with DDR3 RAM?
Well, here's your poll. As a customer, would you buy VPSes with DDR3 RAM (obviously at a lower price point than DDR4) if that guaranteed you that you'd have lower pricing, on the present continuous RAMflation context?
Let's discuss.
VPS with DDR3 RAM on DDR4 RAMflation
- Would you buy a VPS with DDR3 RAM on the present DDR4 RAMflation?29 votes
- Yes, regardless of type34.48%
- Only if it helped some special VPS types (e.g. high-RAM VPS or storage VPS) price lower44.83%
- No, not at all20.69%
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The issue with DDR3 RAM is not necessarily the RAM generation, but the poor performance of CPUs compatible with it.
From what I recall the "newest" xeon to work with DDR3 would be E5v2 and performance of those is less than ideal when compared to modern day Xeon Golds and EPYCs.
There are plenty of customers who are just fine with their VPS running on 15 year old CPU, but others will obviously consider it outdated.
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DDR3 performance is almost not a factor when paired with already old E5 processors which LE* customers are still willing to buy.
You do not even need to mention DDR3 anywhere.
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I only buy servers powered by DDR2 and specifically Atom line
If it doesn't come in SIPP format, I don't want it.
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As someone with 3 dedicated servers with DDR3 RAMs with 3 different providers, I dont see much difference between those 3 dedicated servers and my home server with DDR4 RAM. Both works just fine for my needs.
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We had a brief discussion with Google AI regarding this topic.
The key points were:
Currently, we pay $80/3y for 2x EPYC 7B12 (0.5 core persistent usage), 8GB RAM, 35GB NVMe, 1500GB monthly transfer.
If you can offer 2x dedicated cores + 4x burstable cores with DDR3 RAM and match this price, it'll be an acceptable dealz.
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100% no problem at all, 99 out of 100 use cases for anyone on this forum, you are 100% going to hit another limitation before the ram speed and capabilities are the issue in a human noticeable way that has any practical difference.
When a single wordpress plugin or a bad loop or a lazy fix in code is hit on your "whatever thing you do" can bring things down to a performance level that even PC133 DRAM can keep up with, the difference between DDR3 and 4 is not an issue.
The CPU will be the bottleneck next way before the RAM almost always.
Synthetic benchmarks wont agree, I dont care
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All of Slow Servers' hosts use DDR3. It's sufficient for many uses and certainly cheaper.
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Neither are dirt cheap!
Damn,
I always thought you were a Windows ME kind of guy. That OS was a class apart.
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Lol 😂 my personal path was, GEOS, AmigaOS, Windows 95, Windows 98/SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Fedora Core 4, Windows 7, Debian, Windows 10, Debian.
I clung to 98SE as long as possible, and windows 2000, and XP, the rest were short lived on the way to Debian.
Debian thx.
Used many others but if it was not for over a year I don't count it.
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Mine was windows 95, windows 98, windows XP, Linux mint, windows 7, Ubuntu Mate, windows 10, windows 11.
My servers used to be centos 5/6/7 but then changed it to Ubuntu. Now a days they are almost always Ubuntu or debian.
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Genuine question, not a distro war loaded question, in what circumstances would you use Ubuntu over debian on a server, or it is just a question of what feels natural for you personally?
I always just felt like the only reason you should ever use ubuntu on a server is if you NEED ubuntu on a server.
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No reason. I just found Ubuntu documentations and guides more readily compared to debian when starting with Linux and that mindset stuck with me. Since I started using proxmox back in 2018, I noticed both are same. But old mindset is harder to change...
Do I need Ubuntu on my servers? No.
Debian? Maybe, but alpine would work as well, since all my dedi are on debian running proxmox. So for guest os, Ubuntu is my personal preference. That sense of familiarity.
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I use it because it was the only "supported" Debian distro for a mission critical piece of software. Overall, as a server it mostly feels like Debian with minor differences, but for the most part it's close enough. 22.04 LTS has been surprisingly good.
Eventually I'll have to reboot it after updating the userland, but kpatch and firewalling everything out that I don't need has been enough.
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I have heard that one before, then when support was needed we jumped on a call and they were like: "Oh you dont have a subscription already, oh actually, even if you did this would not be covered, we can support it though, it will be $15,000 per day though, we need a 10 day advance payment"
It is supported in the same way OVH has support, if you pay in advance, and even then, they will find a reason its not covered.
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Pretty bad prices, i guess power is an issue.
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DDR2 FBDIMM's are pretty good for cooking! What were they, 25W per module?
and 2x 146 GB SAS!
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By "supported", I mean the package installs without missing dynamic libraries on Ubuntu 22. I know more about their Linux product than almost all of their engineers. Same for their fucking dataloggers.
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Yes. It's still the same. Difficult to run and doesn't do much. As years pass, it gets more and more "old" and support drops...
Rarely people are willing to go back to windows 2000 when they are so used to Windows 11 or KDE or MATE desktop
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We are surprised the project is not dead yet.
So does HaikuOS.
We were really rooting for OpenDarwin though.
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If its cheaper? Yes, same without IPv4.
But if its just 0.20€ nah brother.
With IPv4, if your IPv4 cost is 1€ and you give me a 1€ discunt, fine.
With DDR3, right now we are still good in terms of price hikes.
7$/y is holding still, despite that, I don't think DDR3 vs DDR4 makes a lot of different in the lowend market.
To make it worthwhile switching.
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Well said.
If you are willing to purchase a new server (buy, not rent), go with DDR4 or even DDR5. But for renting, DDR3 is good enough since you can change to a DDR4 or DDR5 server anytime you need higher RAM or CPU speeds.
If the primary use of the server is for video encoding, DDR5 is much better. For everything else, DDR3/4 doesn't make much difference.
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