Euronodes, introduction

euronodes · May 13

Hello everyone,

We are Euronodes Ltd, Cyprus-registered, RIPE LIR (AS199053). Primary footprint in Lisbon (ONI datacenter, our biggest deployment), secondary in Prague. Smaller presence in Frankfurt and Madrid.
We sell VPS

(here comes obligatory paragraph Claude told me to write about how we do it for community and absolutely not for profit
As an old Slav myself who heard English first time at the granpa age, Im using LLMs to polish the writing)

Our background is not in hosting, we were running a rather massive data operation related to ship insurances.
Then unspecified virus of unknown origin caused cruise ships to dock for days/weeks idle and insurances had to chip in.

At least that's how we understood the loss, and the fact that we were left with 200 idle enterprise nodes to repurpose.

We are not a particularly cheap provider.
But when in April all the others raised prices, we suddenly became one of the cheapest in the whole market. Sit on the river bank long enough, you will see the bodies of your enemies floating down

Our equipment and infra is not particularly "low end", it was built with a different purpose in mind. Majority of it still serves maritime industry (now Cyprus and Portugal start making sense on both sides of the Mediterranean)

We also sell virtualization clusters, for small providers that have to patch various dedicated servers and figure out how to build real cluster with interconnections, ring 0 and 1 on separate networks and in general, be pro.

Those clusters are dedis, optionally in the same rack, with additional 10Gbit cards for rings 0 and 1, and access to our internal Ceph storage over 45Gbit.
Each server has a ZFS array of 8x1.92TB SSDs, ARC cache typically 384-512GB, and RAM between 768GB and 1TB depending on the node.

There are no i7, i9, Ryzens, i5, i3, Celerons and Motorola 68000 (or 68020 for AGA fans) servers available.
When the fleet was built, it had a purpose to stay as stable as Compaq and serve forever.

We are not planning to expand into desktop-grade CPUs, our fleet must stay unified and ready to serve both purposes (maritime and hosting) at any moment. I'm fully aware that now all that matters is GHz, and I'm driving a Scania into the Porsche club.

I familiarized myself with the history behind LET/LES, who is who and why is what is. I found it fascinating. Especially that despite decades in Unix, these are my first weeks in social media. For a boomer like me, yelling at clouds doesn't mean AWS/Azure.

P.S. I almost forgot: it's https://euronodes.com

rpqu · May 13

@euronodes said:
Then unspecified virus of unknown origin caused cruise ships to dock for days/weeks idle and insurances had to chip in.

Perhaps this is what's required to pop AI bubble

euronodes · May 13

@rpqu said: to pop AI bubble

First recorded Peeing Swan Event to the rescue

rpqu · May 13

@euronodes said:

@rpqu said: to pop AI bubble

First recorded Peeing Swan Event to the rescue

Hopefully yes. Most of the hyperscalers capex is financed by corporate bonds. AI-infra collateralize their GPU.
I'm betting on NVIDIA turning their older hardware 1/10th of of their worth 6 months later (H1 vs H2 2026 HW) on inference workload.

lapua · May 13

yabs please

euronodes · May 13

@lapua said:
yabs please

You want the provider to yabs his own infra?
Well, to show that I also have a sense of humor, please
https://serververify.com/benchmarks/9c8b2180-e8f4-423d-9c50-714aae9b902a

treesmokah · May 13

Witam

@euronodes said: hxxps://serververify.com/benchmarks/9c8b2180-e8f4-423d-9c50-714aae9b902a

We do not get along with Jon Biloh ventures here. It's the reason LES exists.
Better copy paste yabs than use another of his sites that uses fake reviews.

euronodes · May 13

Siemka

@treesmokah said:
Witam

@euronodes said: hxxps://serververify.com/benchmarks/9c8b2180-e8f4-423d-9c50-714aae9b902a

We do not get along with Jon Biloh ventures here. It's the reason LES exists.
Better copy paste yabs than use another of his sites that uses fake reviews.

Hence my "I also have a sense of humor"

AnthonySmith · May 13

Maybe just post an offer in a new thread TierHive is looking for a new node, it was going to be in Poland... it could just as easy be in Portugal.

@euronodes said: Cyprus-registered

Are you based in Cyprus personally?

euronodes · May 13

@AnthonySmith said:

Maybe just post an offer in a new thread TierHive is looking for a new node, it was going to be in Poland... it could just as easy be in Portugal.

@euronodes said: Cyprus-registered

Are you based in Cyprus personally?

Yes Im in Cyprus TierHive told me on Reddit DM to go and touch grass Cyprus is no-go for commercial hosting: 1Gbit symmetric for the datacenter costs, brace yourself, 8 THOUSAND EURO!
Yes, 8k for 1Gbit. So Limassol is covering only clients who pay their own connections (maritime)
Charms of islands, I guess
As for Portugal, we have Sines connected and direct EllaLink to Brasil (Fortaleza) but not tested yet. Till end of May we will have it available for public access.

AnthonySmith · May 13

@euronodes said: ierHive told me on Reddit DM to go and touch grass

I asked you for a price, and you never got back to me, haha... that's how I see it anyway on reddit.

Anyway, I was only asking about Cyprus because I project-managed the datacenter build in Akrotiri many many years ago!

Brueggus · May 13

Very interesting locations! Welcome to LES

euronodes · May 13

@AnthonySmith said:

@euronodes said: ierHive told me on Reddit DM to go and touch grass

I asked you for a price, and you never got back to me, haha... that's how I see it anyway on reddit.

Anyway, I was only asking about Cyprus because I project-managed the datacenter build in Akrotiri many many years ago!

You've been in RAF airbase? Man, beers are waiting, pack your stuff - nothing really changes aorund, Ladys MIle the same, Ryans still serve the same cats. I mean steaks
Now I understand why I poked you on reddit - gut feelings

rpqu · May 13

@euronodes said:

@lapua said:
yabs please

You want the provider to yabs his own infra?
Well, to show that I also have a sense of humor, please
https://serververify.com/benchmarks/9c8b2180-e8f4-423d-9c50-714aae9b902a

Good for DB. Consider asking @onidel @oloke for their 16GB/s disk R/W at 1M secret sauce

AnthonySmith · May 13

@euronodes said:

@AnthonySmith said:

@euronodes said: ierHive told me on Reddit DM to go and touch grass

I asked you for a price, and you never got back to me, haha... that's how I see it anyway on reddit.

Anyway, I was only asking about Cyprus because I project-managed the datacenter build in Akrotiri many many years ago!

You've been in RAF airbase? Man, beers are waiting, pack your stuff - nothing really changes aorund, Ladys MIle the same, Ryans still serve the same cats. I mean steaks

haha yeah, we called them rat burgers.

euronodes · May 13

@AnthonySmith said:
TierHive is looking for a new node, it was going to be in Poland... it could just as easy be in Portugal.

Back to this: well, different beasts. Thats why we opened Prague - Portugal latency to South/East Europe (especially Balkans) leaves a lot to be desired.

PT is much better if you want Mediterranean, North Africa, Middle East. But as soon as cables cross France and go East, latency drops and jitter increases.

We were renting a few of those white changing-room lockers in Hetzner (they call them "racks" for some reason) and we loved it, but if you wanted anything quality, the prices were rising to absurd levels. Electricity also.

So we moved to Prague just to cover East/South Europe.

Poland is a better location for mainland Europe.

AnthonySmith · May 13

@euronodes said:

@AnthonySmith said:
TierHive is looking for a new node, it was going to be in Poland... it could just as easy be in Portugal.

Back to this: well, different beasts. Thats why we opened Prague - Portugal latency to South/East Europe (especially Balkans) leaves a lot to be desired.

PT is much better if you want Mediterranean, North Africa, Middle East. But as soon as cables cross France and go East, latency drops and jitter increases.

We were renting a few of those white changing-room lockers in Hetzner (they call them "racks" for some reason) and we loved it, but if you wanted anything quality, the prices were rising to absurd levels. Electricity also.

So we moved to Prague just to cover East/South Europe.

Poland is a better location for mainland Europe.

The TierHive mesh needs to grow, so I look forward to seeing your offers wherever.

oloke · May 13

@euronodes said:
Siemka

@treesmokah said:
Witam

@euronodes said: hxxps://serververify.com/benchmarks/9c8b2180-e8f4-423d-9c50-714aae9b902a

We do not get along with Jon Biloh ventures here. It's the reason LES exists.
Better copy paste yabs than use another of his sites that uses fake reviews.

Hence my "I also have a sense of humor"

Dzień dobry!

euronodes · May 13

@Brueggus said:
Very interesting locations! Welcome to LES

Thank you Amazing place, I must say

@oloke said:
Dzień dobry!

O proszę, dzień dobry

@AnthonySmith said:
The TierHive mesh needs to grow, so I look forward to seeing your offers wherever.

I would need to know the requirements for the nodes. And this time its not a marketing speech - the issue with our nodes is the unified fleet.

I don't presume you need 6-8x SSD and 512GB-1TB RAM, which is basically the only thing we have plus some variations.
If you check https://euronodes.com/dedicated you'll notice the pattern.

How the big guys do it: they get your order, put you on 12/24 month contract to lock the money, then go to serverschmiede.de or servershop24.de and buy exactly what you ordered from the configurator. Markup on lease vs buy is the business.

We dont have this luxury for 2 reasons:
1. Enormous legal power needed to recover the money from client if excrement hits air circulation unit
2. A lot of paperwork that will discourage most clients before we reach half of the process

And besides, thats not our business model. So we came with a better idea, hear me out:

You go directly to serverschmiede or servershop24 or wherever in the EU, buy as cheap as you want exactly what you actually want, and send it to us.
We rack it, give it power, network, IPs, remote hands when needed. €69 (heheheh) + electricity for 1U monthly.

You get the hardware you actually need at retail prices. We get colocation revenue without the capex risk.
Now: colo is not cheap, you can have probably lower prices somewhere - the difference is that you can just get 1U and rest of the infra is delivered (switches, routers etc) - so whatever you fit in 1U will be at the monthly cost of cheapest hetzer box.

sshbox · May 13

At what locations to you offer S3 object storage?

AnthonySmith · May 13

@euronodes said:

@Brueggus said:
Very interesting locations! Welcome to LES

Thank you Amazing place, I must say

@oloke said:
Dzień dobry!

O proszę, dzień dobry

@AnthonySmith said:
The TierHive mesh needs to grow, so I look forward to seeing your offers wherever.

I would need to know the requirements for the nodes. And this time its not a marketing speech - the issue with our nodes is the unified fleet.

I don't presume you need 6-8x SSD and 512GB-1TB RAM, which is basically the only thing we have plus some variations.
If you check https://euronodes.com/dedicated you'll notice the pattern.

How the big guys do it: they get your order, put you on 12/24 month contract to lock the money, then go to serverschmiede.de or servershop24.de and buy exactly what you ordered from the configurator. Markup on lease vs buy is the business.

We dont have this luxury for 2 reasons:
1. Enormous legal power needed to recover the money from client if excrement hits air circulation unit
2. A lot of paperwork that will discourage most clients before we reach half of the process

And besides, thats not our business model. So we came with a better idea, hear me out:

You go directly to serverschmiede or servershop24 or wherever in the EU, buy as cheap as you want exactly what you actually want, and send it to us.
We rack it, give it power, network, IPs, remote hands when needed. €69 (heheheh) + electricity for 1U monthly.

You get the hardware you actually need at retail prices. We get colocation revenue without the capex risk.
Now: colo is not cheap, you can have probably lower prices somewhere - the difference is that you can just get 1U and rest of the infra is delivered (switches, routers etc) - so whatever you fit in 1U will be at the monthly cost of cheapest hetzer box.

Ok that's fair, we will 100% put something with you guys a bit further down the line then, we are already starting to get hardware ready for the new QTS location in Cambois as it's close to where I live (10 minutes by car) so shipping a server and spares to you guys would work at the same time.

somik · May 14

@sshbox said:
At what locations to you offer S3 object storage?

All location you can get a VPS and spin up a S3 clone on your VPS?

calibernode · May 14

I was wondering when y'all would show up! You guys are all over reddit lol.

euronodes · May 14

@sshbox said: At what locations to you offer S3 object storage?

Lisbon, thats where Ceph lives. We are experimenting with Synology based in Prague but for internal use, we have few 1821+ fully packed with, if I remember, ~50TB each. But CPUs in this thing are like on infamous EA servers...
So back to the subject: Lisbon, Ceph based, repl x3 hybrid crush rules 1x SSD primary 2x HDD replicas, fast enough to be, well, fast enough

euronodes · May 14

@AnthonySmith said: Cambois as it's close to where I live

Are you, pardon my french, French?

EDIT: Just checked, my apologies

In all seriousness: you should reconsider shipping to the datacenters from outside of the EU.
It involves EORI and this is major PITA.
It's definitely easier to just get the same stuff inside of the EU, then shipping is cheaper and cross-border frictions dont exists.

One of our clients shipped Solana validator fro the US, worth gazillion of dollars (validating Solana costs more than this whole blockchain value it seems) and we were all going crazy for WEEKS before it was mounted

AnthonySmith · May 14

@euronodes said:

@AnthonySmith said: Cambois as it's close to where I live

Are you, pardon my french, French?

EDIT: Just checked, my apologies

In all seriousness: you should reconsider shipping to the datacenters from outside of the EU.
It involves EORI and this is major PITA.
It's definitely easier to just get the same stuff inside of the EU, then shipping is cheaper and cross-border frictions dont exists.

One of our clients shipped Solana validator fro the US, worth gazillion of dollars (validating Solana costs more than this whole blockchain value it seems) and we were all going crazy for WEEKS before it was mounted

Fair enough, thanks for the advice!

Alternatively, you could always just rack a microcloud of E3's and sell them like hot cakes here on LES and make profit and save me the hassle

euronodes · May 14

@AnthonySmith said: Fair enough, thanks for the advice!

I have a very strong gut feeling that where is the will, there is a way EORI note was general for all community to be aware, that finding good deal is one thing
The crapstorm that follows can easily cancel the initial enthusiasm.
Worth having holistic understanding.
E3 microcloud idea noted!

treesmokah · May 14

Any plans for IPv4 subnets from LIR other than Cogent? I was able to only find subs leased from them, which is unfortunate.
I like to avoid Cogent wherever I can due to their AUP which they are known to use against customers of hosting providers who have transit or lease subs from them.

Lisbonense · May 14

Switched over to you guys recently, glad to finally see a service with reasonable prices based out of Portugal

euronodes · May 14

@treesmokah said:
Any plans for IPv4 subnets from LIR other than Cogent? I was able to only find subs leased from them, which is unfortunate.
I like to avoid Cogent wherever I can due to their AUP which they are known to use against customers of hosting providers who have transit or lease subs from them.

Yes, we are checking the options. And there are not many, we were renting from Cogent for many years (direct to datacenters ASN, we didnt have our, but still for years) - just convenient and pretty good price. But we are checking the options around, public hosting is different beast and have different needs

MichaelCee · May 16

Welcome to LES!

Euronodes, introduction

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