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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    I had an equine-related emergency today, so I could not complete the testing on the ISO over https, bumped to tomorrow.

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    Best wishes to the horses! Hope they are okay! <3

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  • @AnthonySmith said:
    equine-related emergency

    The last time I head of that on the Internet, it was called Mr. Hands.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    @WSS said: The last time I head of that on the Internet, it was called Mr. Hands.

    On this occasion, I am not going to google it and just be happy I dont understand.

    --

    I did the engineering validation tonight, so the iso over https will be live tomorrow if the stars align (lots on tomorrow)

    made a last minute change, you can now mount 2 ISO.. idk, maybe you want a driver disk and an ISO, I wont be asking why, but you might...

    Also if the planets also align, Tokyo may be live tomorrow.

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  • WSSWSS OG
    edited June 19

    I mounted two. One of them was called yourmom.iso9660.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai


    ISO Mounting is now available.

    Other info:

    The system will follow a maximum of 3 redirects, the ISO must ultimately provide a 200 response, and the web server must support HTTP Range requests, supported in HTTP/1.1 since around 1997, but some ultra-simple web servers still don't, and some mirrors block it by design.

    • VALID https is expected.
    • ISO's are streamed using this block on demmand method.
    • We allow up to 2 ISO's to be mounted

    • 2nd ISO slot is handy for drivers and as a secondary data source for some ipxe or netboot.xyz installations and probably other reasons I can't think of.
    • Your IO is limited on your main disk while an ISO mount is active, and ISO's that are mounted for 48 hours are forcefully removed by the backend. This is to avoid ISO mount as a permanent network storage method.

    In other news, it looks like Tokyo is not happening; the hardware just was not up to the task, not even for TierHive, searching for alternatives.

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  • My IPv6 gateway is downed.

    $ ping 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1
    PING 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1 (2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1) 56 data bytes

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    @WSS said:
    My IPv6 gateway is downed.

    $ ping 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1
    PING 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1 (2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1) 56 data bytes

    fixed

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer

    @AnthonySmith said: ISO Mounting is now available.

    Thanks! I am excited to try an ISO install on TierHive! :star:

    I especially appreciate the extra details you posted about how it works. :star:

  • @budi1413 said:
    singapore has fallen?

    Our heart skipped a bit, we thought it will be renamed as Shōnan-Tō again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Singapore

    We're the source, no cap. Address us: We/Our/Ours.

    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/221016/#Comment_221016

  • @AnthonySmith said: 2nd ISO slot is handy for drivers and as a secondary data source for some ipxe or netboot.xyz installations and probably other reasons I can't think of.

    I guess one way to use it would be to have a somewhat generic "copy this image to the disk" ISO as the 1st ISO, and use the 2nd ISO as the image to be written to the disk. But then, maybe you should just offer a way to write a user-provided image to the disk?

    Although one issue that still remains with all these ISO installation options is that there probably isn't a way to access the server configuration meta-data from the ISOs (as far as I can tell, that configuration meta-data is removed after the first reboot).

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    @cmeerw said:

    @AnthonySmith said: 2nd ISO slot is handy for drivers and as a secondary data source for some ipxe or netboot.xyz installations and probably other reasons I can't think of.

    I guess one way to use it would be to have a somewhat generic "copy this image to the disk" ISO as the 1st ISO, and use the 2nd ISO as the image to be written to the disk. But then, maybe you should just offer a way to write a user-provided image to the disk?

    Although one issue that still remains with all these ISO installation options is that there probably isn't a way to access the server configuration meta-data from the ISOs (as far as I can tell, that configuration meta-data is removed after the first reboot).

    I can think of a few use cases which made me think that others can probably think of even more, it was 5 minutes extra work to do.

    Regarding the metadata I plan to make the removal after reboot optional, 99% don't even know what the meta data is so removal will be default.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    Paris is live, services can be created there now, IPv6 will follow within a day or 2.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer
    edited June 21

    @Not_Oles said: Thanks! I am excited to try an ISO install on TierHive!

    FWIW, I have tried the new TierHive ISO mounting a few times on a 256 MB RAM, 1 GB disk VPS within two limited contexts:

    • (1) installing Debian (failure expected because the VPS is too small, so just for fun) and
    • (2) installing NetBSD.

    Just for fun, here is how Debian failed excellently, explaining exactly what was wrong:

    The NetBSD install did not succeed. It got close, but went to black screen. In addition to the -current ISO, I tried an old ISO. Here is a screen shot showing both ISOs attached:

    As an alternative to the ISO, I also tried writing @cmeerw's excellent 11.0 RC4 raw image to the VPS disk, both via Netboot.xyz rescue and by using Alpine's ability to disconnect the system running in RAM from the disk, the latter something like:

    hil:~# date
    Sun Jun 21 00:13:15 UTC 2026
    hil:~# echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
    hil:~# echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger
    hil:~# echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger
    hil:~# curl -L "https://download.cmeerw.net/netbsd/netbsd-11.0rc4-efi.raw" | zstd -d | dd of=/dev/vda bs=4M
    % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current 
                                                      Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
    100 99.83M 100 99.83M 0 0 5.41M 0 00:18 00:18 5.82M
    0+8192 records in
    0+8192 records out
    536870912 bytes (512.0MB) copied, 18.527806 seconds, 27.6MB/s
    hil:~#
    

    @cmeerw's image booted, and I could see kernel messages, but, ultimately, only a black screen. Tried various combinations of other stuff, example screenshot below, but, ultimately, black screen. More before too long! :)

    Thanks to Ant for adding ISO to TierHive! <3

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  • @Not_Oles said: @cmeerw's image booted, and I could see kernel messages, but, ultimately, only a black screen. Tried various combinations of other stuff, example screenshot below, but, ultimately, black screen.

    Forgot to add the RC5 image there.

    I think for TierHive you need to add something like "vesa 101" in the NetBSD boot loader.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer
    edited June 22

    @cmeerw Thank you! Almost there, earlier today! I tried 1024x768x24 but not 640x480x8. How would someone know which settings to try? I guess 640x480 is the default standard terminal resolution, and so 640x480 always should be tried first. :)

  • Love tierhive and constant development! Its a niche that gets no love, now, it does.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    IPv6 update.

    Thanks to a specific user's persistence (No naming names but feel free to step up and take credit) in reporting, we finally found the cause of the random IPv6 drops caused on our side, a legacy cron we used very early on and left running as a fail safe just in case was killing the routes on the hypervisors under certain conditions.

    Much appreciated, the IPv6 system is more stable now, thanks to active reporting of bugs.

    Its fun being in Alpha!

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  • @Refinance said:
    Love tierhive and constant development! Its a niche that gets no love, now, it does.

    +1, I was only just the other day thinking of the old LES boxes I used to have 10 years ago that were €3 a year and wondered if they were still going. They're not in that form, but TierHive is - and its really great to see. From what I've played around with so far, it's been great.

    I've only just made my home network dual stack in the last few months so I am finally able to make some use out of the IPv6 side of things now too. :)

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    @ShaneIE said:

    @Refinance said:
    Love tierhive and constant development! Its a niche that gets no love, now, it does.

    +1, I was only just the other day thinking of the old LES boxes I used to have 10 years ago that were €3 a year and wondered if they were still going. They're not in that form, but TierHive is - and its really great to see. From what I've played around with so far, it's been great.

    I've only just made my home network dual stack in the last few months so I am finally able to make some use out of the IPv6 side of things now too. :)

    It was a sad sad day when the old LES shut down, but I guess everything happens for a reason.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer

    Tried @cmeerw's excellent NetBSD 11 RC5 image on a TierHive Alpine 256 GB RAM 1 GB disk. Besides the version bump on the @cmeerw image from RC4 to RC 5, Alpine also auto-bumped from the TierHive installed Alpine 3.23.4 to 3.23.5 when I installed curl and zstd.

    Previously the NetBSD kernel seemed to finish loading and then go to a black screen.

    This time I added, in the NetBSD bootloader console, vesa 0x101.

    Here below is the command recipe followed by a couple of screenshots:

    hil:~# date
    Mon Jun 22 23:49:28 UTC 2026
    hil:~# echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
    hil:~# echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger
    hil:~# echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger
    hil:~# curl -L "https://download.cmeerw.net/netbsd/netbsd-11.0rc5-efi.raw.zst" | zstd -d 
    | dd of=/dev/vda bs=4M
      % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  Time    Time    Time   Current
                                     Dload  Upload  Total   Spent   Left   Speed
    100 99.66M 100 99.66M   0      0  4.04M      0   00:24   00:24          5.70M
    0+8192 records in
    0+8192 records out
    536870912 bytes (512.0MB) copied, 24.659513 seconds, 20.8MB/s
    hil:~# 
    
    # Shutdown and then boot from the Tierhive control panel. 
    

    During the above install attempt, over ssh from my Chromebook, the TierHive Contol Panel Console also was open. A message appeared on the Console, saying something like "Emergency sync." I tried restoring the VPS from backup and re-executing the command sequence, with the same result.

    Ideas, please? Thanks!

  • @Not_Oles said:
    Tried @cmeerw's excellent NetBSD 11 RC5 image on a TierHive Alpine 256 GB RAM 1 GB disk. Besides the version bump on the @cmeerw image from RC4 to RC 5, Alpine also auto-bumped from the TierHive installed Alpine 3.23.4 to 3.23.5 when I installed curl and zstd.

    Previously the NetBSD kernel seemed to finish loading and then go to a black screen.

    This time I added, in the NetBSD bootloader console, vesa 0x101.

    Here below is the command recipe followed by a couple of screenshots:

    hil:~# date
    Mon Jun 22 23:49:28 UTC 2026
    hil:~# echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
    hil:~# echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger
    hil:~# echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger
    hil:~# curl -L "https://download.cmeerw.net/netbsd/netbsd-11.0rc5-efi.raw.zst" | zstd -d 
    | dd of=/dev/vda bs=4M
      % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  Time    Time    Time   Current
                                     Dload  Upload  Total   Spent   Left   Speed
    100 99.66M 100 99.66M   0      0  4.04M      0   00:24   00:24          5.70M
    0+8192 records in
    0+8192 records out
    536870912 bytes (512.0MB) copied, 24.659513 seconds, 20.8MB/s
    hil:~# 
    
    # Shutdown and then boot from the Tierhive control panel. 
    

    During the above install attempt, over ssh from my Chromebook, the TierHive Contol Panel Console also was open. A message appeared on the Console, saying something like "Emergency sync." I tried restoring the VPS from backup and re-executing the command sequence, with the same result.

    Ideas, please? Thanks!

    When I tried NetBSD on TierHive, I booted into Alpine via netboot (so it certainly couldn't interfere with the disk). Could you now use the ISO image to boot into Alpine?

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer

    Earlier, when I restored a VPS from backup, the restored VPS booted with an incomplete /etc/network/iinterfaces file. The preliminary comments were present, but no networking details. So I added the details with vi and the TierHive Control Panel clipboard. Then the networking seemed okay, si I went ahead with the attempted NetBSD install discussed just above.

    Now, I again restored from the same backup. This time, the entire /etc/network/interfaces files is present as expected. Both IPv4 and IPv6 seem to work fine on the latest restored VPS without any shenanigans needed.

    Could it be that cloud-init might be working inconsistently somehow, thus explaining the differences between the two restores from the same backup? Could something about cloud-init explain the inconsistent results between the two NetBSD nstalls from @cmeerw's RC4 and RC5 images?

    Thanks!

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    Alpine 3.24.1 is available now.

    @Not_Oles the backup is a literaly copy of your entire hard disk image it is not done at a file level so any restore would match exactly what you had, assuming that is that you used the panel to backup and restore and to the same VPS. it should really be 1:1

    Cloud-init only runs on the first boot after initial deployment, and cloud-init would not run at all on @cmeerw's image, not the metadata that we produced anyway, unless you are doing some sort of deploy and stop and overwrite hack which... will be very timing dependent... like seconds.

    We plan to expose metadata for cloud-init reconfig and resets etc in the futire.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer

    @cmeerw said: Could you now use the ISO image to boot into Alpine?

    Sure! :) Thanks so much! <3

    I think you are asking me to boot the VPS from the Alpine official install ISO and, instead of installing Alpine, use the booted install environment to write your raw NetBSD 11 RC5 image to the VPS disk, which would be /dev/vda. Probably I can use apk in the install ISO to add curl and zstd there inside the install environment. Then:

    curl -L "https://download.cmeerw.net/netbsd/netbsd-11.0rc5-efi.raw.zst" | zstd -d | dd of=/dev/vda bs=4M

    I will try later today or tomorrow and let you know how it goes. NetBSD on TierHive! <3

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    @AnthonySmith said: @Not_Oles the backup is a literaly copy of your entire hard disk image it is not done at a file level so any restore would match exactly what you had, assuming that is that you used the panel to backup and restore and to the same VPS. it should really be 1:1

    Thanks! Yes, I did use the TierHive panel for both the backup and the restore. I understand that the restore quite reasonably is expected to be 1:1 with the original, but, apparently, once, it might not have been. Not criticizing, just trying to be helpful by mentioning a possible, random, seeming inconsistency: one restore didn't seem to include the complete /etc/network/interfaces file; a subsequent restore seemed to include the full file as expected.

    I am having a lot of fun with TierHive! It's amazing! <3 It's great! :star: Thank you! <3

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith AdministratorHosting ProviderOGSenpai

    No worries, but I have to put that one down to human error :) but if it happens again I need to investigate because it means the backup system is deeply broken at its core, like handing someone $10 and then its $5

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer

    Looks like the NetBSD 11 RC5 install of @cmeerw's raw image on a TierHive 256 MB RAM, 1 GB disk VPS downloaded from within a booted Alpine 3.24.1 netboot ISO might have worked.

    The Alpine ISO seemed to need manual configuring for both its network and the /etc/apk/repositories file.

    When @cmeerw's NetBSD image booted, it seemed necessary to interrupt the boot sequence and add "vesa 0x101" manually.

    I did see @cmeerw's image's expected disk partition size adjustment auto-reboot immediately following the initial boot.

    Here are a few screenshots:

    • Downloading and uncompressing @cmeerw's image from within the running Alpine install ISO; redirecting output to overwite the VPS's man disk, /dev/vda

    • Setting NetBSD's VESA resolution and color depth

    • Green NetBSD boot messages

    • The NetBSD root prompt

    Now I get to have fun configuring the new NetBSD VPS and maybe bringing it up to -current.

    Thanks to Ant and to @cmeerw for all their help and, especially, for their patience. <3 Additional thanks to Ant for TierHive itself, and to @cmeerw for fine NetBSD images! :star:

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    TierHive Canada is down, IPMI is not responding, IPMI reset is not responding, rescue mode times out, and every function on the web UI times out related to the server, including power, so it is assumed to be a full hardware failure.

    Intervention requested. Updates will follow as they become available, but I dont expect it to be quick.

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    Canada is back up.

    Motherboard issues it has been replaced, and the server is back up, restoring services now.

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