@someTom said:
same here, i just wondered why i dont have the switch in my profile.
Yeah it's a bit disappointing but maybe Google AdSense was a bad choice to start with.
I am not going to be taking donations, I have tried to say it in many polite ways, this community is circling the gutter, I am trying to offer a solution I opened up the discussion for a month, I explained the reasons and the plan.
The first visible and entirely optional change and I am made to feel like I am running a scam. It's pretty disappointing.
I put a stupid amount of time into this and am paying out of pocket for help, that was probably a mistake.
I will leave adverts on for none logged in users only, I will refocus my efforts onto quality content, if the numbers don't support or justify or modify the demographic of the community, then it is what it is, another failed fork.
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Personally, I’ve never found it bothersome to see sponsored ads on the right side of the index page or sponsored spots at the top of the offers page. You can make a selection and filter out companies that raise serious doubts. Then at least you get relevant advertising.
But donations seem like a good option to support the forum. Most people dislike ads and block them in one way or another. Perhaps you could open donations with one-time, monthly, quarterly, and yearly options. People who donate X amount on a recurring basis (monthly/quarterly/yearly) can earn a special tag or icon for their forum account. Sorry if this has already been suggested and discussed, but I just wanted to share an idea I think would be helpful to have.
But donations seem like a good option to support the forum. Most people dislike ads and block them in one way or another. Perhaps you could open donations with one-time, monthly, quarterly, and yearly options. People who donate X amount on a recurring basis (monthly/quarterly/yearly) can earn a special tag or icon for their forum account. Sorry if this has already been suggested and discussed, but I just wanted to share an idea I think would be helpful to have.
I am going to close the other thread because its causing confusion and splitting the conversation:
here is what I said in the other thread:
Even advertisements that they voluntarily show to themselves?
I can't/won't take donations; the reality is I am a director of a VAT-registered company that is involved in the hosting industry. Mason had different but just as potentially impactful reasons that he needed to stop taking donations; it is not as simple as it once was.
I am a tough place, I felt like I did enough to explain what my plans were in advance, I listened to feedback, I thought it was pretty clear that it was an impossible task to please everyone, so my goal was a happy middle ground, within hours/minutes of having the optional adverts live to cover the costs people are asking for recipts and annoyed that i did exactly what i said I was going to do.
On the other hand, I feel like I have to wind my neck in as its the same people that were here for 3 years or when I barley was and there is no question that LES is a different place now, when I left it, it had an advertising revenue stream to cover the costs and then do what ever was needed, Mason for good reason felt it was more appropriate to pay the lions share of costs himself.
So I feel like we have a real direction split here, so I am following good advice I once got: "If in doubt, do nowt" (Nowt for none native English speakers is a dialect word for nothing)
I am finishing up what I was working on yesterday. putting all the other work planned for LES on hold, I will make the changes so far I have had done in dev pushed to live, so at least we have an up-to-date platform not running on a wing and a prayer and the good grace of CloudFlare's WAF.
I will do nothing but content focus for a month or so, If the non-logged-in user visits don't pay for LES, I will enable paid ads, and people will just have to suck that up if they dont like it, or fork, but given the all-time low post count and host engagement numbers, that also may not work out, this may be to little to late.
If we reach that stage and it's still not working, at least the platform will be stable and cheaper to run, if I am not right for the job, I will move on, I only have good intentions, but things don't run well long term on good grace and pixie dust, my goal is change and growth, not everyone wants that.
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@AnthonySmith if you are aligned with me in thinking that a breath of fresh tech and services is needed in LES I still have my proposition open for integrating a searchable product inventory in Vanilla. I understand this competes with your earlier proposal to display service ads on the sidebar whose visibility is modulated programmatically by your algorithms. But given the integration would be sufficiently simple to implement maybe you could consider it for the time being,
@AnthonySmith It is too hot in the UK and I feel your frustration - damned if you do and damned if you don't (re ads).
My advice just chill - no one (I believe) is pressurising you. You have put an enormous UNPAID amount of effort into this community, creating what you hope will be beneficial and yet push backs happen.
As you have said you can't please everyone SO DON'T. Please yourself, you are not stupid / naive / dick and the community needs to understand that anything you do is NOT for your benefit it is (you hope) for theirs. The community needs to understand that not everything is driven by commercialism, some people do things to benefit others.
Are you not legally able to accept donations or are you choosing not to? If the former, what about changing legal ownership to an entity that can. If the latter, why?
@jaden said:
Are you not legally able to accept donations or are you choosing not to? If the former, what about changing legal ownership to an entity that can. If the latter, why?
I am a director of a VAT-registered limited company related to hosting. I took advice that donations are risky/grey area to begind with and then double for a hosting-related forum that I also advertise on, and own, the advice was to not take donations because they cant be seen as donations they are a service payment especially if any perks are attached no matter how small, which tax must be paid on, so I should actually take membership payments (I just dont want to do that) and then there is VAT collection end to end.
Imagine walking into a big store, and finding the owner and asking if you can make a donation to him personally, to help out customers of his store, probably a shit example, but it's too hot to think of a good one, hopefully that bridges the mental gymnastics of it for you.
Simply, taking donations in 2026 is not even close to being as simple as it used to be, especially if you live in the UK.
Regarding the legal entity, the costs of doing that would double or triple the financial requirement, its not a quick admin task, that's probably just tax avoidance in the eyes of HMRC.
The idea was to gain advertising revenue, keep track of that, and spend it on LES as 1:1 as possible, on paper it becomes a marketing cost; from an accounting perspective, that is simple, no extra loopholes, no asking people for their own money they have already been taxed on.
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@msatt said: @AnthonySmith It is too hot in the UK and I feel your frustration
I have a cold basement year round, the trick to having a chill house in summer is to open the hatch on the roof in the attic and the windows in the basement; the whole house become a whirlpool of a chimney effect, with cold air flowing upward and hot air flowing out thru the roof. Works best if you live in a 200-storey skyscraper.
@AnthonySmith: hooking into your mood, I must add that the money to buy and run a comfortably cool AC unit has been taxed away by HMRC for your fair share and 90% of the people you might randomly sample are okay with it.
@dgc1980 said:
some time ago, I ran a site and offered ads to members and stuff at like $5 a month with a limit of 4 ads in the rotation, wrote my own little landing for them to upload ads to etc, the site was able to survive well with that, that way the ads we actually targeted and relevant to the community. maybe something like this would be better by seeing like "xyz vps for $7/yr" in a small rotation that than seeing an ad for "viagra for $1 a pill" etc
this is just an option, not a request, I do have ads disabled, but I did donate at one point of time
That's what LES used to have, then it went to donationbox, and all ads were removed, that box emptied out a while ago and people have been out of pocket since.
There was never any way that LES taking any payment for anything in any way was ever going to be 100% fine with 100% of the people here, it is what it is, I can only give options, the choice is ultimately everyone's own to make.
Not really true.... the donorbox brought in enough money to pay for all services for a bit over a year or maybe 2 years, can't remember.
Then the donation box was hidden to stop donations from building up.
Guess @Mason never enabled it again when the funds ran out.
@dgc1980 said:
some time ago, I ran a site and offered ads to members and stuff at like $5 a month with a limit of 4 ads in the rotation, wrote my own little landing for them to upload ads to etc, the site was able to survive well with that, that way the ads we actually targeted and relevant to the community. maybe something like this would be better by seeing like "xyz vps for $7/yr" in a small rotation that than seeing an ad for "viagra for $1 a pill" etc
this is just an option, not a request, I do have ads disabled, but I did donate at one point of time
That's what LES used to have, then it went to donationbox, and all ads were removed, that box emptied out a while ago and people have been out of pocket since.
There was never any way that LES taking any payment for anything in any way was ever going to be 100% fine with 100% of the people here, it is what it is, I can only give options, the choice is ultimately everyone's own to make.
Not really true.... the donorbox brought in enough money to pay for all services for a bit over a year or maybe 2 years, can't remember.
Then the donation box was hidden to stop donations from building up.
Guess @Mason never enabled it again when the funds ran out.
Ok, well that's a different reason from what he said on Discord, which I don't want to say because I don't know if he said it here, and it's personal, but I guess both can be true. Either way, the donation box is empty, I assume he or you have been paying out of pocket since the point it emptied.
Edit: Ignore me I read the wrong point, you mean you think there is a way for 100% of the people to be happy and remain ad-free by taking donations only, I understand, sorry.
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@dgc1980 said:
some time ago, I ran a site and offered ads to members and stuff at like $5 a month with a limit of 4 ads in the rotation, wrote my own little landing for them to upload ads to etc, the site was able to survive well with that, that way the ads we actually targeted and relevant to the community. maybe something like this would be better by seeing like "xyz vps for $7/yr" in a small rotation that than seeing an ad for "viagra for $1 a pill" etc
this is just an option, not a request, I do have ads disabled, but I did donate at one point of time
That's what LES used to have, then it went to donationbox, and all ads were removed, that box emptied out a while ago and people have been out of pocket since.
There was never any way that LES taking any payment for anything in any way was ever going to be 100% fine with 100% of the people here, it is what it is, I can only give options, the choice is ultimately everyone's own to make.
Not really true.... the donorbox brought in enough money to pay for all services for a bit over a year or maybe 2 years, can't remember.
Then the donation box was hidden to stop donations from building up.
Guess @Mason never enabled it again when the funds ran out.
Ok, well that's a different reason from what he said on Discord, which I don't want to say because I don't know if he said it here, and it's personal, but I guess both can be true. Either way, the donation box is empty, I assume he or you have been paying out of pocket since the point it emptied.
Edit: Ignore me I read the wrong point, you mean you think there is a way for 100% of the people to be happy and remain ad-free by taking donations only, I understand, sorry.
I don't pretend to understand the complications of accepting donations, but if there were a way to accept optional membership or service fees with something like Donorbox, I think many of us would be more than happy to contribute.
Summarized, @AnthonySmith says cant accept donations since he is the owner of LES as well as Tierhive and promotes Tierhive on LES. So donations by hosts can be seen as them buying special privileges.
I say, if the orange monkey from the united pedo freedom can do it, so can @AnthonySmith. I mean MAGA was (allegedly) sponsored by the big corpos and they (allegedly) received special benefits from it. One of them even became a Trillioaire for a while before (allegedly) transferring the money offshore.
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@somik said:
Summarized, @AnthonySmith says cant accept donations since he is the owner of LES as well as Tierhive and promotes Tierhive on LES. So donations by hosts can be seen as them buying special privileges.
I say, if the orange monkey from the united pedo freedom can do it, so can @AnthonySmith. I mean MAGA was (allegedly) sponsored by the big corpos and they (allegedly) received special benefits from it. One of them even became a Trillioaire for a while before (allegedly) transferring the money offshore.
Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
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@somik said:
Summarized, @AnthonySmith says cant accept donations since he is the owner of LES as well as Tierhive and promotes Tierhive on LES. So donations by hosts can be seen as them buying special privileges.
I say, if the orange monkey from the united pedo freedom can do it, so can @AnthonySmith. I mean MAGA was (allegedly) sponsored by the big corpos and they (allegedly) received special benefits from it. One of them even became a Trillioaire for a while before (allegedly) transferring the money offshore.
Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
Ain't that the truth!
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Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
Solely out of curiousity and in no way making any commentary about the current status of ads on LES, do we have the integration to easily handle ads by ourselves? Hypothetically, if I wanted to buy an advertisement of, say, 20px*20px could I put it next to my nick the way @yoursunny has his trollface? How much would that cost me per year?
@dgc1980 said:
some time ago, I ran a site and offered ads to members and stuff at like $5 a month with a limit of 4 ads in the rotation, wrote my own little landing for them to upload ads to etc, the site was able to survive well with that, that way the ads we actually targeted and relevant to the community. maybe something like this would be better by seeing like "xyz vps for $7/yr" in a small rotation that than seeing an ad for "viagra for $1 a pill" etc
this is just an option, not a request, I do have ads disabled, but I did donate at one point of time
That's what LES used to have, then it went to donationbox, and all ads were removed, that box emptied out a while ago and people have been out of pocket since.
There was never any way that LES taking any payment for anything in any way was ever going to be 100% fine with 100% of the people here, it is what it is, I can only give options, the choice is ultimately everyone's own to make.
Not really true.... the donorbox brought in enough money to pay for all services for a bit over a year or maybe 2 years, can't remember.
Then the donation box was hidden to stop donations from building up.
Guess @Mason never enabled it again when the funds ran out.
Ok, well that's a different reason from what he said on Discord, which I don't want to say because I don't know if he said it here, and it's personal, but I guess both can be true. Either way, the donation box is empty, I assume he or you have been paying out of pocket since the point it emptied.
Edit: Ignore me I read the wrong point, you mean you think there is a way for 100% of the people to be happy and remain ad-free by taking donations only, I understand, sorry.
I was in a hurry and thats when I write things that sound sane in my head but not always in writing
What I ment was that donations worked ”to well” and the monthly donations from the community were higher than the costs for the site.
So @Mason and I decided to halt the donations ”temporary”.
Guess it never was activated again. 🤷🏻
I think that even if only half the people who donated back then, would donate today.
Costs would be covered … and more.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
Solely out of curiousity and in no way making any commentary about the current status of ads on LES, do we have the integration to easily handle ads by ourselves? Hypothetically, if I wanted to buy an advertisement of, say, 20px*20px could I put it next to my nick the way @yoursunny has his trollface? How much would that cost me per year?
Cool idea, I must say almost as cool as having a full VPS search engine on the right sidebar!
Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
Solely out of curiousity and in no way making any commentary about the current status of ads on LES, do we have the integration to easily handle ads by ourselves? Hypothetically, if I wanted to buy an advertisement of, say, 20px*20px could I put it next to my nick the way @yoursunny has his trollface? How much would that cost me per year?
Yeah its fairly trivial I guess, but there was so many objections to adverts like this during the initial consultation, I decided not to go in that direction.
@davide said: Cool idea, I must say almost as cool as having a full VPS search engine on the right sidebar!
API or iframe?
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Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
Solely out of curiousity and in no way making any commentary about the current status of ads on LES, do we have the integration to easily handle ads by ourselves? Hypothetically, if I wanted to buy an advertisement of, say, 20px*20px could I put it next to my nick the way @yoursunny has his trollface? How much would that cost me per year?
Yeah its fairly trivial I guess, but there was so many objections to adverts like this during the initial consultation, I decided not to go in that direction.
@davide said: Cool idea, I must say almost as cool as having a full VPS search engine on the right sidebar!
API or iframe?
I have the API ready and responding to calls now and the plugin seasoned and almost canned, as I left it the day you left me. No iframe, screw the iframe.
@AnthonySmith If I understand right, Google AdSense payments to Brisitsh website owners come from Ireland, and therefore are not subject to British VAT because they are "outside the scope."
Maynr it might similarly be the case that your VAT-registered, limited company could sell the right to display something on LES to other entities outside the UK. Because these payments, like the AdSense payments, would come from outside the UK, ithese payments conceivably also might be "outside the scope." As an example, suppose your VAT-registered Limited Company sold $100/year supporter tags to payors from entities outside the UK? Maybe "IS" tags, where "IS" means "International Supporter.?"
Maybe ask your lawyer? At least, some of us from outside the UK might provide a little funding for LES until we figure out a good way to also add non-VAT funding from within the UK?
Just an idea. Probably there is a better idea. Thanks!
Yeah its fairly trivial I guess, but there was so many objections to adverts like this during the initial consultation, I decided not to go in that direction.
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same here, i just wondered why i dont have the switch in my profile.
I still see at least 2 ad/tracking domains on LES though.
Yeah it's a bit disappointing but maybe Google AdSense was a bad choice to start with.
I am not going to be taking donations, I have tried to say it in many polite ways, this community is circling the gutter, I am trying to offer a solution I opened up the discussion for a month, I explained the reasons and the plan.
The first visible and entirely optional change and I am made to feel like I am running a scam. It's pretty disappointing.
I put a stupid amount of time into this and am paying out of pocket for help, that was probably a mistake.
I will leave adverts on for none logged in users only, I will refocus my efforts onto quality content, if the numbers don't support or justify or modify the demographic of the community, then it is what it is, another failed fork.
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Personally, I’ve never found it bothersome to see sponsored ads on the right side of the index page or sponsored spots at the top of the offers page. You can make a selection and filter out companies that raise serious doubts. Then at least you get relevant advertising.
But donations seem like a good option to support the forum. Most people dislike ads and block them in one way or another. Perhaps you could open donations with one-time, monthly, quarterly, and yearly options. People who donate X amount on a recurring basis (monthly/quarterly/yearly) can earn a special tag or icon for their forum account. Sorry if this has already been suggested and discussed, but I just wanted to share an idea I think would be helpful to have.
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I am going to close the other thread because its causing confusion and splitting the conversation:
here is what I said in the other thread:
Even advertisements that they voluntarily show to themselves?
I can't/won't take donations; the reality is I am a director of a VAT-registered company that is involved in the hosting industry. Mason had different but just as potentially impactful reasons that he needed to stop taking donations; it is not as simple as it once was.
I am a tough place, I felt like I did enough to explain what my plans were in advance, I listened to feedback, I thought it was pretty clear that it was an impossible task to please everyone, so my goal was a happy middle ground, within hours/minutes of having the optional adverts live to cover the costs people are asking for recipts and annoyed that i did exactly what i said I was going to do.
On the other hand, I feel like I have to wind my neck in as its the same people that were here for 3 years or when I barley was and there is no question that LES is a different place now, when I left it, it had an advertising revenue stream to cover the costs and then do what ever was needed, Mason for good reason felt it was more appropriate to pay the lions share of costs himself.
So I feel like we have a real direction split here, so I am following good advice I once got: "If in doubt, do nowt" (Nowt for none native English speakers is a dialect word for nothing)
I am finishing up what I was working on yesterday. putting all the other work planned for LES on hold, I will make the changes so far I have had done in dev pushed to live, so at least we have an up-to-date platform not running on a wing and a prayer and the good grace of CloudFlare's WAF.
I will do nothing but content focus for a month or so, If the non-logged-in user visits don't pay for LES, I will enable paid ads, and people will just have to suck that up if they dont like it, or fork, but given the all-time low post count and host engagement numbers, that also may not work out, this may be to little to late.
If we reach that stage and it's still not working, at least the platform will be stable and cheaper to run, if I am not right for the job, I will move on, I only have good intentions, but things don't run well long term on good grace and pixie dust, my goal is change and growth, not everyone wants that.
I need a coffee.
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@AnthonySmith if you are aligned with me in thinking that a breath of fresh tech and services is needed in LES I still have my proposition open for integrating a searchable product inventory in Vanilla. I understand this competes with your earlier proposal to display service ads on the sidebar whose visibility is modulated programmatically by your algorithms. But given the integration would be sufficiently simple to implement maybe you could consider it for the time being,
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@AnthonySmith It is too hot in the UK and I feel your frustration - damned if you do and damned if you don't (re ads).
My advice just chill - no one (I believe) is pressurising you. You have put an enormous UNPAID amount of effort into this community, creating what you hope will be beneficial and yet push backs happen.
As you have said you can't please everyone SO DON'T. Please yourself, you are not stupid / naive / dick and the community needs to understand that anything you do is NOT for your benefit it is (you hope) for theirs.
The community needs to understand that not everything is driven by commercialism, some people do things to benefit others.
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Are you not legally able to accept donations or are you choosing not to? If the former, what about changing legal ownership to an entity that can. If the latter, why?
I am a director of a VAT-registered limited company related to hosting. I took advice that donations are risky/grey area to begind with and then double for a hosting-related forum that I also advertise on, and own, the advice was to not take donations because they cant be seen as donations they are a service payment especially if any perks are attached no matter how small, which tax must be paid on, so I should actually take membership payments (I just dont want to do that) and then there is VAT collection end to end.
Imagine walking into a big store, and finding the owner and asking if you can make a donation to him personally, to help out customers of his store, probably a shit example, but it's too hot to think of a good one, hopefully that bridges the mental gymnastics of it for you.
Simply, taking donations in 2026 is not even close to being as simple as it used to be, especially if you live in the UK.
Regarding the legal entity, the costs of doing that would double or triple the financial requirement, its not a quick admin task, that's probably just tax avoidance in the eyes of HMRC.
The idea was to gain advertising revenue, keep track of that, and spend it on LES as 1:1 as possible, on paper it becomes a marketing cost; from an accounting perspective, that is simple, no extra loopholes, no asking people for their own money they have already been taxed on.
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I have a cold basement year round, the trick to having a chill house in summer is to open the hatch on the roof in the attic and the windows in the basement; the whole house become a whirlpool of a chimney effect, with cold air flowing upward and hot air flowing out thru the roof. Works best if you live in a 200-storey skyscraper.
@AnthonySmith: hooking into your mood, I must add that the money to buy and run a comfortably cool AC unit has been taxed away by HMRC for your fair share and 90% of the people you might randomly sample are okay with it.
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Not really true.... the donorbox brought in enough money to pay for all services for a bit over a year or maybe 2 years, can't remember.
Then the donation box was hidden to stop donations from building up.
Guess @Mason never enabled it again when the funds ran out.
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Ok, well that's a different reason from what he said on Discord, which I don't want to say because I don't know if he said it here, and it's personal, but I guess both can be true. Either way, the donation box is empty, I assume he or you have been paying out of pocket since the point it emptied.
Edit: Ignore me I read the wrong point, you mean you think there is a way for 100% of the people to be happy and remain ad-free by taking donations only, I understand, sorry.
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Tom still needs to suck a dick.
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Anybody know of a way to allow ads on specific site with DNS level filtering? Wouldn't pass on the client ID...so seems like an all or nothing affair
"https://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/js/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-9654762685286550"
I don't pretend to understand the complications of accepting donations, but if there were a way to accept optional membership or service fees with something like Donorbox, I think many of us would be more than happy to contribute.
Summarized, @AnthonySmith says cant accept donations since he is the owner of LES as well as Tierhive and promotes Tierhive on LES. So donations by hosts can be seen as them buying special privileges.
I say, if the orange monkey from the united pedo freedom can do it, so can @AnthonySmith. I mean MAGA was (allegedly) sponsored by the big corpos and they (allegedly) received special benefits from it. One of them even became a Trillioaire for a while before (allegedly) transferring the money offshore.
Laws dont apply to the wealthy, I am writing this on an i5
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Ain't that the truth!
@AnthonySmith It's not donation, it's a tip jar.
HMRC would probably take the view that tips are generally on top of a payment. HMRC has no sense of humour.
They just collect the taxes so that our royal family can help to support rich people's theme parks like Epstein Island.
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Solely out of curiousity and in no way making any commentary about the current status of ads on LES, do we have the integration to easily handle ads by ourselves? Hypothetically, if I wanted to buy an advertisement of, say, 20px*20px could I put it next to my nick the way @yoursunny has his trollface? How much would that cost me per year?
I was in a hurry and thats when I write things that sound sane in my head but not always in writing
What I ment was that donations worked ”to well” and the monthly donations from the community were higher than the costs for the site.
So @Mason and I decided to halt the donations ”temporary”.
Guess it never was activated again. 🤷🏻
I think that even if only half the people who donated back then, would donate today.
Costs would be covered … and more.
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There's Royal Family. Then there's government who just waste everyone's time and money. Good time to rewatch house of cards
Cool idea, I must say almost as cool as having a full VPS search engine on the right sidebar!
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Yeah its fairly trivial I guess, but there was so many objections to adverts like this during the initial consultation, I decided not to go in that direction.
API or iframe?
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I have the API ready and responding to calls now and the plugin seasoned and almost canned, as I left it the day you left me. No iframe, screw the iframe.
Why you left me Anthony, screw you!
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@AnthonySmith If I understand right, Google AdSense payments to Brisitsh website owners come from Ireland, and therefore are not subject to British VAT because they are "outside the scope."
Maynr it might similarly be the case that your VAT-registered, limited company could sell the right to display something on LES to other entities outside the UK. Because these payments, like the AdSense payments, would come from outside the UK, ithese payments conceivably also might be "outside the scope." As an example, suppose your VAT-registered Limited Company sold $100/year supporter tags to payors from entities outside the UK? Maybe "IS" tags, where "IS" means "International Supporter.?"
Maybe ask your lawyer? At least, some of us from outside the UK might provide a little funding for LES until we figure out a good way to also add non-VAT funding from within the UK?
Just an idea. Probably there is a better idea. Thanks!
< joke > People objected to me having an icon next to my nick? The bastards! Who was it? < /joke >