Can this be read as racial discrimination?
Like part of the consumer have some bad behaviors, and you think all consumers from China are bad guys, neglecting that those Chinese consumer who behave normally with silence is actually the majority
Can this be read as racial discrimination?
Like part of the consumer have some bad behaviors, and you think all consumers from China are bad guys, neglecting that those Chinese consumer who behave normally with silence is actually the majority
No, not really.
Service providers are well within their rights to take a business decision to NOT serve an entire market that results in the highest percentage of chargebacks, account information, fraudulent orders, resource abuse etc. Not to mention the fact that the problem gets compounded 10x when you throw a massive language barrier into the mix!
It is just a numbers game. Even if 5% of my revenue goes towards paying for chargebacks / refunds (when I already have slim margins), while dealing with a specific market, I may chose to pull out if I am able to compensate for lost sales from other regions across the world.
@K4Y5 said:
It is just a numbers game. Even if 5% of my revenue goes towards paying for chargebacks / refunds (when I already have slim margins), while dealing with a specific market, I may chose to pull out if I am able to compensate for lost sales from other regions across the world.
Well, you can simply announce that consumers from China are not allowed for chargebacks/refund, that is pretty okay and far more better than banning them from buying, right?
@K4Y5 said:
It is just a numbers game. Even if 5% of my revenue goes towards paying for chargebacks / refunds (when I already have slim margins), while dealing with a specific market, I may chose to pull out if I am able to compensate for lost sales from other regions across the world.
Well, you can simply announce that consumers from China are not allowed for chargebacks/refund, that is pretty okay and far more better than banning them from buying, right?
Sadly, chargeback / refunds aren't in the hands of the provider but the payment processor and banks, who charge a premium for handling every such case, and mostly settle in favor of the buyer.
Besides, individuals from the region you mentioned above have a habit of initiating chargebacks / refunds instead of ticketing in and reaching out to the service providers to sort some issue(s) out. So..
From my knowledge, it's only possible to initiate chargebacks / refunds if you use PayPal.
But if you buy something using the credit card directly, it's not possible to get chargeback/refunds just contacting with the bank. They would tell that if you got any problem, contact with the service provieder.
It might be a solution not allowing consumers from China to use PayPal as the payment method
From my knowledge, it's only possible to initiate chargebacks / refunds if you use PayPal.
But if you buy something using the credit card directly, it's not possible to get chargeback/refunds just contacting with the bank. They would tell that if you got any problem, contact with the service provieder.
It might be a solution not allowing consumers from China to use PayPal as the payment method
That is the plan, however the billing software does not currently support restrictions on billing method based on origin.
These decisions were made when the evidence was clear that accepting orders from a specific region actually cost the business more than it made from that region.
It was a purely financial driven decision and has nothing to do with race.
It should be noted that this decision has been reversed twice in the past and each time the result has been the same.
@InceptionHosting said:
It should be noted that this decision has been reversed twice in the past and each time the result has been the same.
Totally understand your situation. Just feel pity for those who behave decently hardly ever asking for refund/chargebacks. In fact they did nothing wrong, having no faults, but innocent good men affected by other bad guys
@InceptionHosting said:
It should be noted that this decision has been reversed twice in the past and each time the result has been the same.
Totally understand your situation. Just feel pity for those who behave decently hardly ever asking for refund/chargebacks. In fact they did nothing wrong, having no faults, but innocent good men affected by other bad guys
Absolutely, on a personal level I really hate the situation, I am incredibly open and inclusive as a person so it genuinely hurts when people use the race card when they have no idea who I am. It is simply business survival.
Almost 100% of the issues can be traced back to hostloc and zhujiwiki (I forget the spelling sorry) if the wider Chinese community could influence positive change in those areas you would probably find a lot more doors open generally with many hosts. This is often discussed in private hosting providers only channels.
@angstrom said: Just tell us how to activate disaster recovery!
But why you are looking to activate the disaster recovery now? Clouvider data-center didn't even start burning.
But the right time to ask the question about how to activate disaster recovery is before a fire, no? I just want to be prepared!
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
I will have to come back to you on that one, if you could give me an indication on what you are wanting though in an ideal world that would help, e.g. 500GB, 2TB, 10TB, 100TB etc? PM is fine.
@beagle said:
A HostHatch or LetBox challenger? 3TB $84/yr
Could probably do that for around €75 /year roughly however the hardware is completely full right now.
I'm sure you'd fill a server in hours with an offer like that.
well when I was doing the double disk and 50% off promotion that plan was effectively available anyway with merging a few plans so that tells me I just need to make a new plan that caters for that specific size, thanks for the info, I did not know that was a standard to beat!
@beagle said:
A HostHatch or LetBox challenger? 3TB $84/yr
Could probably do that for around €75 /year roughly however the hardware is completely full right now.
I'm sure you'd fill a server in hours with an offer like that.
well when I was doing the double disk and 50% off promotion that plan was effectively available anyway with merging a few plans so that tells me I just need to make a new plan that caters for that specific size, thanks for the info, I did not know that was a standard to beat!
I guess most people storage-focused use it as benchmark. I find it very hard to beat. Ask @Falzo
LetBox 2vcpu E5, 2GB RAM, 20GB NVMe + 3TB HDD $7/m is still my ideal combination. It's versatile enough to run a few storage applications that require a DB (e.g Nextcloud, Photo album apps, etc)
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New hardware is expected to arrive this week for NL, special offers will follow
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Woah those are some ridiculously good deals.
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@InceptionHosting
heard that you don't recieve consumer from China.
Is this true ?
True.
Can this be read as racial discrimination?
Like part of the consumer have some bad behaviors, and you think all consumers from China are bad guys, neglecting that those Chinese consumer who behave normally with silence is actually the majority
No, not really.
Service providers are well within their rights to take a business decision to NOT serve an entire market that results in the highest percentage of chargebacks, account information, fraudulent orders, resource abuse etc. Not to mention the fact that the problem gets compounded 10x when you throw a massive language barrier into the mix!
It is just a numbers game. Even if 5% of my revenue goes towards paying for chargebacks / refunds (when I already have slim margins), while dealing with a specific market, I may chose to pull out if I am able to compensate for lost sales from other regions across the world.
Well, you can simply announce that consumers from China are not allowed for chargebacks/refund, that is pretty okay and far more better than banning them from buying, right?
Sadly, chargeback / refunds aren't in the hands of the provider but the payment processor and banks, who charge a premium for handling every such case, and mostly settle in favor of the buyer.
Besides, individuals from the region you mentioned above have a habit of initiating chargebacks / refunds instead of ticketing in and reaching out to the service providers to sort some issue(s) out. So..
From my knowledge, it's only possible to initiate chargebacks / refunds if you use PayPal.
But if you buy something using the credit card directly, it's not possible to get chargeback/refunds just contacting with the bank. They would tell that if you got any problem, contact with the service provieder.
It might be a solution not allowing consumers from China to use PayPal as the payment method
That is the plan, however the billing software does not currently support restrictions on billing method based on origin.
These decisions were made when the evidence was clear that accepting orders from a specific region actually cost the business more than it made from that region.
It was a purely financial driven decision and has nothing to do with race.
It should be noted that this decision has been reversed twice in the past and each time the result has been the same.
https://inceptionhosting.com
Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
Totally understand your situation. Just feel pity for those who behave decently hardly ever asking for refund/chargebacks.
In fact they did nothing wrong, having no faults, but innocent good men affected by other bad guys 
But why you are looking to activate the disaster recovery now? Clouvider data-center didn't even start burning.
Activate Doctor Strange.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Absolutely, on a personal level I really hate the situation, I am incredibly open and inclusive as a person so it genuinely hurts when people use the race card when they have no idea who I am. It is simply business survival.
Almost 100% of the issues can be traced back to hostloc and zhujiwiki (I forget the spelling sorry) if the wider Chinese community could influence positive change in those areas you would probably find a lot more doors open generally with many hosts. This is often discussed in private hosting providers only channels.
https://inceptionhosting.com
Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
Thank you, sir, I got it
Here comes another idler!
But the right time to ask the question about how to activate disaster recovery is before a fire, no? I just want to be prepared!
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
You can be on my server if you want. Also maybe you can help me figure out how to learn some wenyanwen and guwen.
I hope everyone gets the servers they want!
Any diskspace going spare?
How much and what type?
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Damn it just bought another Server too, this is a terrible addiction indeed.
Same here. I started to consolidate a few servers only a few months ago, cancelling some idlers.. Since then I got 3 more I think..
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Loads, plain ol' HDD as it's just for storage.
I will have to come back to you on that one, if you could give me an indication on what you are wanting though in an ideal world that would help, e.g. 500GB, 2TB, 10TB, 100TB etc? PM is fine.
https://inceptionhosting.com
Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
A HostHatch or LetBox challenger? 3TB $84/yr
Could probably do that for around €75 /year roughly however the hardware is completely full right now.
https://inceptionhosting.com
Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
I'm sure you'd fill a server in hours with an offer like that.
well when I was doing the double disk and 50% off promotion that plan was effectively available anyway with merging a few plans so that tells me I just need to make a new plan that caters for that specific size, thanks for the info, I did not know that was a standard to beat!
https://inceptionhosting.com
Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
I guess people are running stuff on their new VPS. Steal seems to be running pretty high at the moment which is adversely affecting idleness. /s
I guess most people storage-focused use it as benchmark. I find it very hard to beat. Ask @Falzo
LetBox 2vcpu E5, 2GB RAM, 20GB NVMe + 3TB HDD $7/m is still my ideal combination. It's versatile enough to run a few storage applications that require a DB (e.g Nextcloud, Photo album apps, etc)