Webtropia: cheaper than Contabo: 24,99€/mo: 10vCores, 64GB RAM, 400Nvme/1600 SSD, 40TB
Just found this offer by Webtropia/MyLoc after hearing good things about them from @Falzo and they go even cheaper than Contabo:
Webtropia VPS XL: 24,99€/mo
https://www.webtropia.com/vserver.html
10 vCores
64GB RAM
400GB NVME or 1600GB SSD
1 Gbit/s (40TB)
Contabo XL: 31,49€/mo
10 vCores
64GB RAM
400GB NVME or 1600GB SSD (usually throttled SSD)
1 Gbit/s (32TB)
Quite the interesting stuff ;D
Webtropia even gives you a little bit more traffic. Ofc, some other details can differ (there's a long list), but base specs are..good!
Edit
Seems like all their plans kind of beat Contabo.
Even their smallest plan has 25GB more storage than Contabo, 40TB instead of 32 and 1 Gbit/s instead of 200 Mbit/s.
All plans:
Webtropia:
Note that the plans are also available with SSD instead of Nvme:
Contabo:
Comments
I have a VPS M and VPS L with them. CPU performance is mediocre, probably xeon E5. I did not use or try their NVMe line, because I've been after the larger storage, hence using the SSD option.
Be aware that on SSD iops are hard limited to 5000 , so this is nothing for people expecting ryzen+nvme bare metal performance on a large cheap-as-shit box. get your expectations straight or rather don't buy. they might remove the IO limit if kindly asked, which bumped it to 35-40k for me.
that said, the performance is plenty enough to run nextcloud, proxmox backup server and a private satisfactory host in parallel on the VPS M without any issues. nice thing also is their backup plan, at around 2.60 you get 4 full backups + 24 incremental snapshots, scheduling available, so you can easily always have a rotating full month restorable history.
there is an option to upgrade anytime to next larger plan, which works easy enough. no downgrade though. the webpanel is rather light on options. only a few templates, no windows (different lineup) , no option for isos.
there is a 30 days cancellation policy and while you can cancel from within the control panel, there is some verification required, like a valid phone number, where they can send an auth code to.
pricing is excluding VAT if you are not residing in Germany. contabos pricing is excluding VAT regardless, so as a german business webtropia is even cheaper than what @ympker pointed out, but that's quite specific anyway.
most likely you'll be required to send in pass/ID or business registration to get activated/order confirmed, no bs company that accepts fake/abusive blabla. as usual, if you find german contracts complicated - don't buy!!
tl;dr; probably a mixed bag. works very well for me, because it hits my needs in this use case perfectly.
yabs VPS M:
Basic System Information: --------------------------------- Uptime : 22 days, 3 hours, 1 minutes Processor : Intel Core Processor (Broadwell, IBRS) CPU cores : 6 @ 2197.454 MHz AES-NI : ✔ Enabled VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled RAM : 15.6 GiB Swap : 7.5 GiB Disk : 2.3 TiB Distro : Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Kernel : 5.10.0-21-amd64 fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50): --------------------------------- Block Size | 4k (IOPS) | 64k (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 78.03 MB/s (19.5k) | 351.24 MB/s (5.4k) Write | 78.23 MB/s (19.5k) | 353.09 MB/s (5.5k) Total | 156.27 MB/s (39.0k) | 704.33 MB/s (11.0k) | | Block Size | 512k (IOPS) | 1m (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 447.60 MB/s (874) | 482.19 MB/s (470) Write | 471.39 MB/s (920) | 514.31 MB/s (502) Total | 918.99 MB/s (1.7k) | 996.50 MB/s (972) iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4): --------------------------------- Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed | Ping ----- | ----- | ---- | ---- | ---- Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 946 Mbits/sec | 3.57 Gbits/sec | 10.4 ms Scaleway | Paris, FR (10G) | 949 Mbits/sec | busy | 16.2 ms NovoServe | North Holland, NL (40G) | 952 Mbits/sec | 6.26 Gbits/sec | 7.19 ms Uztelecom | Tashkent, UZ (10G) | 897 Mbits/sec | 2.03 Gbits/sec | 82.8 ms Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | 910 Mbits/sec | 1.71 Gbits/sec | 85.5 ms Clouvider | Dallas, TX, US (10G) | 877 Mbits/sec | 1.51 Gbits/sec | 127 ms Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 70.6 Mbits/sec | 949 Mbits/sec | 152 ms iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6): --------------------------------- Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed | Ping ----- | ----- | ---- | ---- | ---- Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 936 Mbits/sec | 87.0 Mbits/sec | 10.6 ms Scaleway | Paris, FR (10G) | 934 Mbits/sec | 5.94 Gbits/sec | 16.5 ms NovoServe | North Holland, NL (40G) | 939 Mbits/sec | 5.96 Gbits/sec | 4.55 ms Uztelecom | Tashkent, UZ (10G) | 857 Mbits/sec | 2.08 Gbits/sec | 82.7 ms Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | 440 Mbits/sec | 2.01 Gbits/sec | 85.5 ms Clouvider | Dallas, TX, US (10G) | 845 Mbits/sec | 1.36 Gbits/sec | 127 ms Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 828 Mbits/sec | 668 Mbits/sec | 152 ms Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test: --------------------------------- Test | Value | Single Core | 499 Multi Core | 2107 Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/20695349I have to ask, what package is that actually? 6vCPU + >2Tb drive, is that some custom package and is that available by asking with a ticket (interested in this larger storage)?
CPU performance seems about half what I got out of VPS M (Yabs is in LET thread with same topic)
@Falzo not sure if this just applies to germans, but I saw Webtropia also embedded a "Jetzt Kündigen" cancellation button in the footer ( https://zkm.webtropia.com/s/contracts/public/terminate/create ) as per the new law regarding "Faire Verbraucherverträge" . With this, the cancellation would be possible without addtional auth, I'd assume as the cancellation button has to trigger an effective cancellation and has to subsequently lead to an (automated) cancellation confirmation (see screenshot Verbraucherzentrale below).
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@covent sorry, just the standard VPS M with 400 GB SSD. I have 2 TB from an external storage mounted via nbd, hence yabs picking it up.
PS: CPU performance seems to be heavily depending on the node yoe land on. Maybe a gamble, maybe because this originally was a VPS S that has been upgraded later on.
My second one was slightly better.. however for my use case fine and not worth the hassle of asking for being moved or whatnot.
@Ympker I recently cancelled one VPS, it opens a form which you can either print and mail or give a mobile number to receive a sms code to put in as signature. Didn't use that button though.
Ah, fair enough. Well, either way seems to work so
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If anyone's curious about their VDS packages, I have a VDS S from them, not quite happy with their performance.
@itsdeadjim looks like I was luckier with my VDS S, see YABS below. So far I'm happy. There is a little CPU steal sometimes during backups for some reason but bad like Contabo. Performance is decent with all the apps I am running on it so for now I'll keep it.
@Falzo how long have you been a customer and what's the uptime been like?
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BTW Look at my network speeds, seems like they forgot to cap it at 1Gbps
Lead Platform Architect at the day job, Ethical Hacker/Bug Bounty Hunter on the side
Yeah I saw steal times too, which doesnt make sense in a dedicated plan
Thread says "cheaper than Contabo" as if that's a good thing, but it makes me expect the VPS to be crap.
@vitobotta I started using them again back in december. Last months are without downtime, only IPv6 had some small hickups regarding to the monitoring, but I couldn't care enough to bother support. Don't really need it and it solved itself anyway.
They didn't forget to cap. Processes are highly automated, so it's not like someone need to enter some limits or the likes. However, if you abuse what you got, they can easily limit you at any point in time to what has been sold ;-)
@willie expectations are a tough thing to get in line with the real world.
It's for sure not crap but also not the miracolous highest performer on this earth given for the price. Reliable and worth the money for sure... maybe carefully think about which size to pick based on use case and comments.
Aka if after cpu performance rather buy smallest nvme right now, to get AMD with a higher chance. Upgrade only later, if you found yourself lucky in that or so
They told me (and the website also says this) that only the SSD/HDD are dedicated, not the cores. So it's a bit of a weird "virtual dedicated server".
From what I have seen so far, they are much better than Contabo anyway. But time will tell... I just started using them.
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Oh lord, have German providers also started this VDS shit? You are correct, I had to read their description a few times to understand that cores are shared.
Why on earth could someone call VDS something like that apart from poor marketing?
I tried ordering one of their plans but I am not receiving any mail from their system (server installation, password reset). I am receiving mails from their support and validated my account but they seem to not give a **** about fixing this issue. Using mxroute. And yes, checked spam.
Call via Skype or similar services to know what's up: phone support is explicitly available in German AND English: https://www.webtropia.com/domains-services/kundenservice.html
If you need a quick reply use the phone for a direct means of contact.
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