C-Servers 99-year plan, do you dare?

yoursunny · January 5

@cservers CentralVPS-II 2560

3 vCore Intel Xeon E5-2660 v4 @ 2.00 GHz (60% Fair Share)
2560 MB RAM DDR4 ECC
60GB NVMe High Speed Disk - 7 GB/s
1 IPv6/64 + 1 IPv4 NAT (10+5 Ports)
NAT46/NAT64/DNS64 Included
C-Servers ExtraNAT Included
Unmetered Bandwidth @ 1 Gbps
Owned Professional Server - HP ProLiant Gen9
ONI Premier Tier3 Datacenter in Lisbon, Portugal

Price: $399.99 for 99 years
Order link: https://web.c-servers.co.uk/order-steps/server/208

davide · January 5

Okay that prompted me to check the reliable flag for C-Servers on PonyHost. It was already false so I took no initiative.

But I wish to see progress on all fronts.

DrNutella · January 5

But isn’t the point to swap out services every few years for upgraded infrastructure?

I mean it sounds like a great deal for something simple IMHO. Too good to be true.

How long in business?

davide · January 5

@DrNutella said:
I mean it sounds like a great deal for something simple IMHO. Too good to be true.

It sounds like installing Windows on a 99-year-old 50 ĸHz valve computer.

Neoon · January 5

@cservers since when do you got fkn LISBON PORTUGAL? You need tell us THIS GOT DAMIT.
I FUCKING LOVE LISBON.

havoc · January 5

Imagine sitting in the year 2124 and having 2.5 GB of RAM

ralf · January 5

Every VPS product they sell (as far as I could tell, maybe I missed one) only has IPv6 and NAT with a handful of ports forwarded. They don't even mention providing a reverse proxy, which massively limits it usefulness.

Also a company with NAT only products... I'm not sure I'd be surprised if they were running everything from 1 IP address shared across a handful of machines by splitting it up by ranges (e.g. ports 10000-19999 server 1, 20000-29999 server 2, etc). Maybe I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

Jab · January 5

@havoc said:
Imagine sitting in the year 2124 and having 2.5 GB of RAM

'Vintage' by then, probably popular.

legendary · January 5

No. It is ridiculous. In 99 years deep atlantic storage may end, not only some portugal host.

grasple · January 5

@ralf said:
Every VPS product they sell (as far as I could tell, maybe I missed one) only has IPv6

maybe in 2124 you'll be able to email your mum over ipv6!

skorous · January 5

@grasple said:

@ralf said:
Every VPS product they sell (as far as I could tell, maybe I missed one) only has IPv6

maybe in 2124 you'll be able to email your mum over ipv6!

I can do that now! ( She doesn't know it's over ipv6 of course )

yoursunny · January 5

@DrNutella said: I mean it sounds like a great deal for something simple IMHO. Too good to be true.

The yearly price for this plan is $9.99/year.
If we deposit $399.99 into the bank and withdraw $9.99 every year, assuming 1% interest rate and 20% tax on interest income, it would take 47 years to drain the bank account.
See interest calculator for a chart.
Thus, you should purchase if you think @cservers would not deadpool in next 47 years.

@havoc said:
Imagine sitting in the year 2124 and having 2.5 GB of RAM

Imagine sitting in the year 2124 and having E5-2660V2 processor, while everyone else are using Quantum computers.
This plan guarantees a specific CPU model so that it ought to be this model for all of 99 years.
It's just like driving a Ford Model T in 2025.

ralf · January 5

@yoursunny said: Thus, you should purchase if you think @cservers would not deadpool in next 47 years.

With that same calculator, any interest above 3% would result in spare money in the account even if no deadpooling for 99 years. 3% is easily achievable for savings.

With an interest rate of 8% (a low-ball of the average for the S&P) then after 99 years you'd have $100k left.

ralf · January 5

@ralf said:

@yoursunny said: Thus, you should purchase if you think @cservers would not deadpool in next 47 years.

With that same calculator, any interest above 3% would result in spare money in the account even if no deadpooling for 99 years. 3% is easily achievable for savings.

With an interest rate of 8% (a low-ball of the average for the S&P) then after 99 years you'd have $100k left.

Of course, the calculation isn't actually this simple, because the annual price would increase with inflation each year.

yoursunny · January 5

@ralf said:
Of course, the calculation isn't actually this simple, because the annual price would increase with inflation each year.

That's why you buy the recurring offer.
Annual price cannot increase, at all, forever.

cybertech · January 6

$7/-

admax · January 6

How about the one-year plan? The supplier seems a bit new? Uh...

sonic · January 6

lmfao

Newyawker · January 6

@yoursunny said:
@cservers CentralVPS-II 2560

3 vCore Intel Xeon E5-2660 v4 @ 2.00 GHz (60% Fair Share)

2560 MB RAM DDR4 ECC

60GB NVMe High Speed Disk - 7 GB/s

1 IPv6/64 + 1 IPv4 NAT (10+5 Ports)

NAT46/NAT64/DNS64 Included

C-Servers ExtraNAT Included

Unmetered Bandwidth @ 1 Gbps

Owned Professional Server - HP ProLiant Gen9

ONI Premier Tier3 Datacenter in Lisbon, Portugal

Price: $399.99 for 99 years
Order link: https://web.c-servers.co.uk/order-steps/server/208

What if they had framed it as $399.99 for "lifetime VPS service"? Would anyone think it would last anywhere near 99 years?

KeqingWangy · January 6

Is the connection from Portugal good? Because I rarely hear of servers located in Portugal.

admax · January 6

Relatively niche, there are Portugal's VPS providers on LES as well, but the prices are quite expensive!

MikeA · January 6

wow.. no offense.. but this is stupid.

Blembim · January 6

I mean how does this diffirent from typical lifetime vps? Expect its portugal and new?? Will this host even survive 2025 anyway?

root · January 6

yoursunny · January 6

@Newyawker said:
What if they had framed it as $399.99 for "lifetime VPS service"? Would anyone think it would last anywhere near 99 years?

Lifetime means until the day we are dead.
99-year means until the year 2124.

As predicted, in the year 2069, we will be hit by a bus and die instantly, at an age of NaN.
We are unmarried and do not have children, so that nobody would attend our funeral, and there would be no flowers in front of the funeral hall.
As the funeral director reads our stories into the empty hall, heavy rain suddenly starts.
It suggests that the whole world is crying for our passing.
We would, of course, give each rain drop an IPv6 address.

If we bought a lifetime VPS, its contract terminates that day.
If we bought a 99-year VPS, it would be a part of our estate and can be inherited, most likely to a charity of our choosing.

bitshub · January 6

I have ordered one for 3 years, now waiting for the delivery.

Newyawker · January 6

@yoursunny said:

@Newyawker said:
What if they had framed it as $399.99 for "lifetime VPS service"? Would anyone think it would last anywhere near 99 years?

Lifetime means until the day we are dead.
99-year means until the year 2124.

As predicted, in the year 2069, we will be hit by a bus and die instantly, at an age of NaN.
We are unmarried and do not have children, so that nobody would attend our funeral, and there would be no flowers in front of the funeral hall.
As the funeral director reads our stories into the empty hall, heavy rain suddenly starts.
It suggests that the whole world is crying for our passing.
We would, of course, give each rain drop an IPv6 address.

If we bought a lifetime VPS, its contract terminates that day.
If we bought a 99-year VPS, it would be a part of our estate and can be inherited, most likely to a charity of our choosing.

No necessarily, you would need to read the "fineprint" to actually know the limitation of "lifetime". If you think "lifetime" means termination at owner's death always you don't know the vacation timeshare industry.

davide · January 6

@yoursunny said:

@Newyawker said:
What if they had framed it as $399.99 for "lifetime VPS service"? Would anyone think it would last anywhere near 99 years?

Lifetime means until the day we are dead.
99-year means until the year 2124.

As predicted, in the year 2069, we will be hit by a bus and die instantly, at an age of NaN.
We are unmarried and do not have children, so that nobody would attend our funeral, and there would be no flowers in front of the funeral hall.
As the funeral director reads our stories into the empty hall, heavy rain suddenly starts.
It suggests that the whole world is crying for our passing.
We would, of course, give each rain drop an IPv6 address.

If we bought a lifetime VPS, its contract terminates that day.
If we bought a 99-year VPS, it would be a part of our estate and can be inherited, most likely to a charity of our choosing.

You could hire actors for the funeral, paid to sob in tears in apparent despair. Great kings used to do it.

Or get deep-frozen in one of those nitrogen tubes. Food for Soylent thought.

cservers · January 8

Hello everyone,

This is the sysadmin speaking, my name is Tiago. Sorry in advance for the large post, some relevant details there.

This service (as described, but omitted by OP in the first post) are part of a pre-sale, with deployment announced since early December as scheduled until the 14th of January 2025.

I must address several aspects here:

This is still pre-deployment (actually our first fully owned server, non-upstreamed to Hetzner and 100% pure metal, it's an HPE server);
The main reasoning behind the offer for 99 years is actually twofold: it's both to support our current expansion, and to have a deal we can honestly commit and fulfill throughout the times (making it a "lifetime"), regardless of how the wind changes and the world evolves, we are saying clearly: we will fulfill it.

Obviously a "lifetime" VPS is no joke of a deal, we take these very seriously, and therefore it could never be priced low, but the money will go both to current and future use of the VPS and to help fund new servers, new services and everything else associated, as current purchases already are and will still be for quite some time, which is normal and an usual business practice basically everywhere.

This is not that new of a company anymore, in fact we are already year and a half in since foundation, although only started trading some months later. We are not here to go anywhere, we are here to stay, for as many years as they come, and so am I in this business. And sustainability is key for C-Servers; in fact, this company is self-sustainable since the 2nd month after it started trading, and we have no debt. It's all as organic as possible. This is also why we are cautious when putting prices, deployment and everything involved. It must be sustainable and a question of responsibility to our customers.

Let me also detail one final thing regarding the unusual location and the deployment: this will be changed, in fact it will actually be improved. To Central Europe, no less. I am handling this and in talks with multiple datacenters as we speak (so, no basements) for a long-term relationship, and I'll personally fly myself, and the server, to the destination datacenter; if I can I won't send no post or mail of a thing this heavy and this important. Flights exist for a reason, and I don't care paying more.

To break it in short: we had a contact in Portugal that was offering us a low-enough colocation price that we actually were looking forward to, hence our location being communicated and decided as Portugal since December, and the deployment interval was defined after these talks occurred; but after Christmas and the New Year things have made quite a U turn (pun intended), as final pricing doubled to higher-than-mainland Europe levels, and I found it unreasonable to deploy in Portugal for something that is (as we all know) objectively second-best in terms of connectivity to mainland Europe. And if I can have the real deal at an even better price, why would I settle for less, right?

As we speak, I am negotiating with datacenters in France, Germany and the UK, and working very hard to fulfill the deadline (14 January 2025), which is on a Tuesday.

I can also advance the following information: if I find it not possible to reasonably deploy the servers in-person until that day, everyone will be formally notified via e-mail with the best advance I can possibly give, and the deployment day will have an exceptional adjustment of a couple days at most (to e.g. January 17th or January 21st at most). If I for some reason fail that second deployment date, everyone on the pre-sale gets a refund. Direct.

As you see, no, no deadpooling, no nothing. Only someone that works hard for their customers.
Any further questions, I'm available.

Tiago

Neoon · January 8

Sad, so no Portugal... meh

admax · January 8

@Neoon said:
Sad, so no Portugal... meh

+1

C-Servers 99-year plan, do you dare?

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