Some years ago I read a lovely story. A man had written (was it Slashdot?) … his Mother in Law asked him to check her late husband’s old desktop.
He fired it up, it was a Debian machine running XFCE.
Not booted for 4 or 5 years.
But everything “simply worked”.
I think Debian version for that era was 9… I am sure a simple at-get upgrade would make the machine purr even today.
I am sure the wait for Debian 14 would be worthwhile !!
@root said:
This is great news. But I am not in any rush to upgrade. I can safely run Debian 12 until Debian 14.
@vyas said:
Some years ago I read a lovely story. A man had written (was it Slashdot?) … his Mother in Law asked him to check her late husband’s old desktop.
He fired it up, it was a Debian machine running XFCE.
Not booted for 4 or 5 years.
But everything “simply worked”.
I think Debian version for that era was 9… I am sure a simple at-get upgrade would make the machine purr even today.
I am sure the wait for Debian 14 would be worthwhile !!
@root said:
This is great news. But I am not in any rush to upgrade. I can safely run Debian 12 until Debian 14.
Due to great stability of Linux in general, I decided not to upgrade. So far I was anxious to upgrade and keep my linux systems upgraded at all times. But upon reflecting on my habits, I realised that I can change my operating systems's version upon reinstalling. Sometimes issues happen in datacenter which makes me restore from backups on a fresh system. So upgrading is not that useful when the previous version is still actively secured through updates.
I decided this week that I shall keep all my systems updated as usual, but upgrade only if it is required, or if something bad happens and I must reinstall a fresh operating system. Debian just works - this is the beauty of it.
Some years ago I read a lovely story. A man had written (was it Slashdot?) … his Mother in Law asked him to check her late husband’s old desktop.
He fired it up, it was a Debian machine running XFCE.
Not booted for 4 or 5 years.
But everything “simply worked”.
I think Debian version for that era was 9… I am sure a simple at-get upgrade would make the machine purr even today.
I am sure the wait for Debian 14 would be worthwhile !!
Maybe this is lost in translation - "simply worked" - I can not even start to comprehend what the deep purpose of this "Facebook story" post would be. Is is making fun of the slow nature of Debian? Surely it has nothing to do with the nature of old people's conception of updating? Is it making fun of 70-year-olds who are appreciative of releases that no longer include security updates?
It reminds me of a fella I saw who posted, probably 10 years ago, about helping a grandmotherly client with her slow internet connection. Someone in her family, likely a grandson, had installed a bittorrent client on her computer. I don't remember the client details, but the tech said that she had uploaded over 10TB of Pink Floyd over the course of the BT client install.
@hornet
Great points, and 10 TB id Pink Floyd is sad yet hillarious.
Upon deeper reflection, I think the debian X XFCE incident was in a podcast, probably around 2015 or 16. It had two hosts… one talking about shiny new features , versus slow and boring. He did mock xfce and debian..
The second host actually mentioned that slow and boring has its merit and went on to say that probably another five years later, his father in law’s computer system would keep running just the way it was running now.. so I think it was in praise. And boring and slow to change is not bad either
but the other points you mentioned are equally valid and relevant, because text somehow does not convey the context every time..
It's not yet in hetzner's available images. I just launched a new vm with debian 12 and then use apt upgrade to move it to 13. That seems to have worked ok though it prompted me for how to handle a couple of config file changes. Particularly, their sshd config now prohibits root logins, which would have made it difficult to set up this VM.
To be honest - I'd recommend people to WAIT to switch. The reason is, a lot of external repos and developers won't be ready for the new build yet for about a year before it becomes standard.
For example speedtest.net/apps/cli is one that usually is behind on releases.
Better to sit on bookworm tbh until all the repos "just work" with Trixie and until all bugs have been mostly patched up.
For playground and testing, go for it, but for stability - I recommend staying on 12 for production systems for a while.
@WSS said:
In another 5 years I guess we'll have a Devuan release.
I wish for Devuan. We need a different approach.
The only problem is anytime you find some other distribution you really want to like there's someone in there that has to turn it all into personal politics. Even some dude at Alpine is having a fit over Xlibre.
Our first upgrade to Trixie happened unexpectedly: on a mobile phone.
We have been idling a PinePhone since 2020.
Last year, it was flashed with Mobian operating system, the Debian variant optimized for mobile phones.
Every few months, we turn it on and run upgrades.
Yesterday was one such occasion.
We noticed hundreds of packages needing upgrades.
Once it's done, the system version indicates Trixie.
The only hiccup was garbled font in several dialogs between upgrade completion and rebooting.
Just wiped my Futro S740 Homeserver and looking to install CasaOS along with Debian 13 or Ubuntu 24. Will see what it's gonna be. I've been an Ubuntu person, but I might try Debian this time (should be very similar in performance).
@Ympker said:
Just wiped my Futro S740 Homeserver and looking to install CasaOS along with Debian 13 or Ubuntu 24. Will see what it's gonna be. I've been an Ubuntu person, but I might try Debian this time (should be very similar in performance).
I have CasaOS and Debian 12 on my ThinkCentre M900 Tiny. I'm not ready to switch to 13 until 13.1
@WSS said:
In another 5 years I guess we'll have a Devuan release.
I wish for Devuan. We need a different approach.
The only problem is anytime you find some other distribution you really want to like there's someone in there that has to turn it all into personal politics. Even some dude at Alpine is having a fit over Xlibre.
It seems like many have beef over the guy who started calibre, calling them mentally unstable... 🤷🏻♂️
@WSS said:
In another 5 years I guess we'll have a Devuan release.
I wish for Devuan. We need a different approach.
The only problem is anytime you find some other distribution you really want to like there's someone in there that has to turn it all into personal politics. Even some dude at Alpine is having a fit over Xlibre.
It seems like many have beef over the guy who started calibre, calling them mentally unstable... 🤷🏻♂️
You mean by telling people that his work is not political and that it's based on merit? Sounds really unstable to me.
@WSS said:
In another 5 years I guess we'll have a Devuan release.
I wish for Devuan. We need a different approach.
The only problem is anytime you find some other distribution you really want to like there's someone in there that has to turn it all into personal politics. Even some dude at Alpine is having a fit over Xlibre.
It seems like many have beef over the guy who started calibre, calling them mentally unstable... 🤷🏻♂️
s/calibre/Xlibre
stupid autocorrect...
@WSS said: You mean by telling people that his work is not political and that it's based on merit? Sounds really unstable to me.
I don't know and I don't have a stake in all these... It doesn't worth any popcorn time for me.
I want my Linux desktop to work for my workflow, whatever tools it takes.
Back on topic: Debian 13 has been pretty good, no issues (none expected, of course) and performance is great.
Building a small geographically diverse cluster for some active production sites, and everything will be on Debian 13 w/ xanmod, Nginx, php 8.4. Pretty basic usage, no issues.
May get brave and upgrade some Debian 12 based servers (DNS cluster)... That will be more interesting.
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This is great news. But I am not in any rush to upgrade. I can safely run Debian 12 until Debian 14.
Please stop the planet! I wish to get off!
The good news is that Debian is the gold standard. The bad news is how it affects Proxmox.
I'm not going to lie. I thoroughly felt yoursunny judging me.
Some years ago I read a lovely story. A man had written (was it Slashdot?) … his Mother in Law asked him to check her late husband’s old desktop.
He fired it up, it was a Debian machine running XFCE.
Not booted for 4 or 5 years.
But everything “simply worked”.
I think Debian version for that era was 9… I am sure a simple at-get upgrade would make the machine purr even today.
I am sure the wait for Debian 14 would be worthwhile !!
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Due to great stability of Linux in general, I decided not to upgrade. So far I was anxious to upgrade and keep my linux systems upgraded at all times. But upon reflecting on my habits, I realised that I can change my operating systems's version upon reinstalling. Sometimes issues happen in datacenter which makes me restore from backups on a fresh system. So upgrading is not that useful when the previous version is still actively secured through updates.
I decided this week that I shall keep all my systems updated as usual, but upgrade only if it is required, or if something bad happens and I must reinstall a fresh operating system. Debian just works - this is the beauty of it.
Please stop the planet! I wish to get off!
Some years ago I read a lovely story. A man had written (was it Slashdot?) … his Mother in Law asked him to check her late husband’s old desktop.
He fired it up, it was a Debian machine running XFCE.
Not booted for 4 or 5 years.
But everything “simply worked”.
Maybe this is lost in translation - "simply worked" - I can not even start to comprehend what the deep purpose of this "Facebook story" post would be. Is is making fun of the slow nature of Debian? Surely it has nothing to do with the nature of old people's conception of updating? Is it making fun of 70-year-olds who are appreciative of releases that no longer include security updates?
It reminds me of a fella I saw who posted, probably 10 years ago, about helping a grandmotherly client with her slow internet connection. Someone in her family, likely a grandson, had installed a bittorrent client on her computer. I don't remember the client details, but the tech said that she had uploaded over 10TB of Pink Floyd over the course of the BT client install.
I once lost a VPS running ubuntu 8.
I only lost connection to it after the host shut down last year.
@hornet
Great points, and 10 TB id Pink Floyd is sad yet hillarious.
Upon deeper reflection, I think the debian X XFCE incident was in a podcast, probably around 2015 or 16. It had two hosts… one talking about shiny new features , versus slow and boring. He did mock xfce and debian..
The second host actually mentioned that slow and boring has its merit and went on to say that probably another five years later, his father in law’s computer system would keep running just the way it was running now.. so I think it was in praise. And boring and slow to change is not bad either
but the other points you mentioned are equally valid and relevant, because text somehow does not convey the context every time..
blog | exploring visually |
It's not yet in hetzner's available images. I just launched a new vm with debian 12 and then use apt upgrade to move it to 13. That seems to have worked ok though it prompted me for how to handle a couple of config file changes. Particularly, their sshd config now prohibits root logins, which would have made it difficult to set up this VM.
To be honest - I'd recommend people to WAIT to switch. The reason is, a lot of external repos and developers won't be ready for the new build yet for about a year before it becomes standard.
For example speedtest.net/apps/cli is one that usually is behind on releases.
Better to sit on bookworm tbh until all the repos "just work" with Trixie and until all bugs have been mostly patched up.
For playground and testing, go for it, but for stability - I recommend staying on 12 for production systems for a while.
13.1 is a good starting point
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In another 5 years I guess we'll have a Devuan release.
My pronouns are like/subscribe.
still on Debian 10 .
I wish for Devuan. We need a different approach.
Please stop the planet! I wish to get off!
The only problem is anytime you find some other distribution you really want to like there's someone in there that has to turn it all into personal politics. Even some dude at Alpine is having a fit over Xlibre.
My pronouns are like/subscribe.
I'm a almalinux man myself even through I have been tempted to go over to the Debian dark side
Our first upgrade to Trixie happened unexpectedly: on a mobile phone.
We have been idling a PinePhone since 2020.
Last year, it was flashed with Mobian operating system, the Debian variant optimized for mobile phones.
Every few months, we turn it on and run upgrades.
Yesterday was one such occasion.
We noticed hundreds of packages needing upgrades.
Once it's done, the system version indicates Trixie.
The only hiccup was garbled font in several dialogs between upgrade completion and rebooting.
vps9hostname is available. affbrrJust wiped my Futro S740 Homeserver and looking to install CasaOS along with Debian 13 or Ubuntu 24. Will see what it's gonna be. I've been an Ubuntu person, but I might try Debian this time (should be very similar in performance).
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I have CasaOS and Debian 12 on my ThinkCentre M900 Tiny. I'm not ready to switch to 13 until 13.1
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It seems like many have beef over the guy who started calibre, calling them mentally unstable... 🤷🏻♂️
The all seeing eye sees everything...
You mean by telling people that his work is not political and that it's based on merit? Sounds really unstable to me.
My pronouns are like/subscribe.
s/calibre/Xlibre
stupid autocorrect...
I don't know and I don't have a stake in all these... It doesn't worth any popcorn time for me.
I want my Linux desktop to work for my workflow, whatever tools it takes.
The all seeing eye sees everything...
Back on topic: Debian 13 has been pretty good, no issues (none expected, of course) and performance is great.
Building a small geographically diverse cluster for some active production sites, and everything will be on Debian 13 w/ xanmod, Nginx, php 8.4. Pretty basic usage, no issues.
May get brave and upgrade some Debian 12 based servers (DNS cluster)... That will be more interesting.
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My pronouns are like/subscribe.
What OS and stack do you use for DNS?
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It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right.
He uses Hannah Montana linux with bind9
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