@MannDude said:
May get brave and upgrade some Debian 12 based servers (DNS cluster)... That will be more interesting.
Dear Lord, I gave up Debian for DNS years ago for something thinner. Any reason why you're still rocking that?
I'm just more familiar with it, so it's easier to maintain. What would you suggest?
I didn't want to toss something into production (Alpine, *BSD) for DNS (though I have experimented with both a bit for private use, learning, etc) since I wasn't incredibly comfortable maintaining it. In the end went with what I know and has great documentation and resources.
@MannDude said:
May get brave and upgrade some Debian 12 based servers (DNS cluster)... That will be more interesting.
Dear Lord, I gave up Debian for DNS years ago for something thinner. Any reason why you're still rocking that?
I didn't want to toss something into production (Alpine, *BSD) for DNS (though I have experimented with both a bit for private use, learning, etc) since I wasn't incredibly comfortable maintaining it. In the end went with what I know and has great documentation and resources.
Debian has many many more years then Alpine, but I wouldn't say alpine's resources for documentation are skint. Of course I used to run BSDs I eventually gave them up cuz it's no longer my job to maintain. I just want something that's low resources and simple enough.
@MannDude said:
May get brave and upgrade some Debian 12 based servers (DNS cluster)... That will be more interesting.
Dear Lord, I gave up Debian for DNS years ago for something thinner. Any reason why you're still rocking that?
What OS and stack do you use for DNS?
Alpine/NSD4. I used to run OpenBSD but I got tired of maintaining it.
Alpine is fun to run in min specs, but once you add in all the required software and security settings, the RAM usage climbs back to a minimum debian install
It's great to use on containers though, specially when it's behind a firewall!
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@MannDude said:
May get brave and upgrade some Debian 12 based servers (DNS cluster)... That will be more interesting.
Dear Lord, I gave up Debian for DNS years ago for something thinner. Any reason why you're still rocking that?
What OS and stack do you use for DNS?
Alpine/NSD4. I used to run OpenBSD but I got tired of maintaining it.
Alpine is fun to run in min specs, but once you add in all the required software and security settings, the RAM usage climbs back to a minimum debian install
It's great to use on containers though, specially when it's behind a firewall!
Ehh..
% free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 346Mi 68Mi 77Mi 4.0Ki 211Mi 277Mi
Swap: 475Mi 339Mi 136Mi
%
That's running over 200 zones with NSD4, full IPv4/v6 tables with custom settings, and sshguard. Can't remembering being able to install Debian with under 96MB required since Wheezy. Sure, this VPS has 384MB, but I managed to get it running in 64MB.
I've started using trixie and no issues here other than the default behavior of IPv6 is to generate an EUI-64 address as well as some other type of random address. (Privacy address?)
Wish Microsoft was a little more proactive in providing an up to date dotnet repo, but bookworm seems to work okay with trixie for .NET Runtime.
% free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 346Mi 68Mi 77Mi 4.0Ki 211Mi 277Mi
Swap: 475Mi 339Mi 136Mi
%
That's running over 200 zones with NSD4, full IPv4/v6 tables with custom settings, and sshguard. Can't remembering being able to install Debian with under 96MB required since Wheezy. Sure, this VPS has 384MB, but I managed to get it running in 64MB.
I guess your use-case suits Alpine. I tried with nginx, php, mysql and saw the ram usage climb back to almost at debian levels.
Ya, older debian/ubuntu were better with their resource usage... No bloat so memory usage was very low...
Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones to make.
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right.
I took the plunge. Upgraded most of my servers to 13.1. I am surprised I didn't break any thing. Just took care to update APT sources. One last dragon to slay, but no rush I think.
My stock Mint Cinnamon after Wilma upgrade is crappy. Errors every now and then, plus fans running multiple times (dell laptop i7 8 gen/32 gb /1tb firecuda).
Might have to drop it and replace with lmde…
Main work machine (writing/content) so will have to do a planned revision
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I'm just more familiar with it, so it's easier to maintain. What would you suggest?
I didn't want to toss something into production (Alpine, *BSD) for DNS (though I have experimented with both a bit for private use, learning, etc) since I wasn't incredibly comfortable maintaining it. In the end went with what I know and has great documentation and resources.
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Alpine/NSD4. I used to run OpenBSD but I got tired of maintaining it.
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Debian has many many more years then Alpine, but I wouldn't say alpine's resources for documentation are skint. Of course I used to run BSDs I eventually gave them up cuz it's no longer my job to maintain. I just want something that's low resources and simple enough.
My pronouns are like/subscribe.
Alpine is fun to run in min specs, but once you add in all the required software and security settings, the RAM usage climbs back to a minimum debian install
It's great to use on containers though, specially when it's behind a firewall!
Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones to make.
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right.
Ehh..
% free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 346Mi 68Mi 77Mi 4.0Ki 211Mi 277Mi
Swap: 475Mi 339Mi 136Mi
%
That's running over 200 zones with NSD4, full IPv4/v6 tables with custom settings, and sshguard. Can't remembering being able to install Debian with under 96MB required since Wheezy. Sure, this VPS has 384MB, but I managed to get it running in 64MB.
My pronouns are like/subscribe.
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I've started using trixie and no issues here other than the default behavior of IPv6 is to generate an EUI-64 address as well as some other type of random address. (Privacy address?)
Wish Microsoft was a little more proactive in providing an up to date dotnet repo, but bookworm seems to work okay with trixie for .NET Runtime.
I guess your use-case suits Alpine. I tried with nginx, php, mysql and saw the ram usage climb back to almost at debian levels.
Ya, older debian/ubuntu were better with their resource usage... No bloat so memory usage was very low...
Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones to make.
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right.
13.1 is out - https://www.debian.org/distrib/
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I took the plunge. Upgraded most of my servers to 13.1. I am surprised I didn't break any thing. Just took care to update APT sources. One last dragon to slay, but no rush I think.
Tried it both on a VPS now and at home on a LXC and had issues on both.
On VPS apt couldn't find a package and on LXC it couldn't install PBS
On a related note…
Has anybody tried LMDE with trixie “upgrade” ?
My stock Mint Cinnamon after Wilma upgrade is crappy. Errors every now and then, plus fans running multiple times (dell laptop i7 8 gen/32 gb /1tb firecuda).
Might have to drop it and replace with lmde…
Main work machine (writing/content) so will have to do a planned revision
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Wait for LMDE 7, but Cinnanon anyway .