@somik said:
So it's the other way around. He means IPv6 only VPS cant connect to any IPv4 servers. Meaning they are basically useless since many servers online are IPv4 only.
I know. The IPv6-only VPS from these providers cannot connect to any IPv4 servers as far as I can tell. I used wireguard from a dual stack host as a workaround. Maybe there's a better way.
I'd be interested to hear if you know about other IPv6-only vps with NAT64. I have only seen it at v6node.
You are joking... So not even dedicated IPv6, nor IPv4? It's just a RDP (without RDP) at this point! Can use as storage servers maybe?
It doesn't even make technical sense, how would a VPS we'd sell have internet with that......
Ok, clarifying what we do: we have an IPv6 /64 dedicated, and we have NAT64/DNS64 also included there by default, which does allow you to communicate to IPv4 hosts and recieve their responses. It's usually most usable to access IPv4-only websites, for example. We also have, at fixed port ranges per IP, NAT IPv4 connectivity, which goes through the dedicated server's IPv4 in TCP and UDP (and naturally TCP works best), outbound and inbound. The Knowledge Base was also recently improved in regards to this system.
No other host at SolusVM 2 offers all of these, as far as we know, and it's really the only way of doing it because of the way OpenVSwitch handles and integrates with the system. There are some hosts that have NAT64/DNS64, there are hosts with NAT, but both realities usually never coexist.
And we have storage servers as well now, on the US. Up to 2TB.
RDP, on the other hand, is something that always needs to have an IP available and precommunicate at 3389, and they usually even are IPv4 private. And sometimes even faking locations, which we don't do, for example... it's very, very different.
Hope this clarifies it for you and any further questions we are here.
@somik said:
So it's the other way around. He means IPv6 only VPS cant connect to any IPv4 servers. Meaning they are basically useless since many servers online are IPv4 only.
I know. The IPv6-only VPS from these providers cannot connect to any IPv4 servers as far as I can tell. I used wireguard from a dual stack host as a workaround. Maybe there's a better way.
I'd be interested to hear if you know about other IPv6-only vps with NAT64. I have only seen it at v6node.
You are joking... So not even dedicated IPv6, nor IPv4? It's just a RDP (without RDP) at this point! Can use as storage servers maybe?
What I usually see is dedicated ipv6 with no access to ipv4 at all.
And this is precisely what we attempt to address. Because no IPv4 at all, not even NAT ports or NAT64, just doesn't cut it when around 50% of the Internet is still on IPv4 only. Maybe in 3-4 years we'll get to a point where it will be more comfortable, but for now it is what it is...
@yucchun said:
You'd be surprised to find out there's some providers out there that don't even offer NAT64/v4/6to4 peering.
I was shocked when I had just freshly installed Debian 13 onto a storage v6-only VPS I got, and when I went to rclone data to it from a v4-only host, I found out it couldn't establish IPv4 connections in general.
Had to serve using a third server as a relay.
I've been around since ipv4 NAT vps were without IPv6 at all, so not really surprised. Heck, my ISP didn't offer IPv6 till just a few years ago!
Btw, which host was it? Is it still around or was just a summer host?
Still around, here in LES with us..! Won't spit the name publicly though.
L**....
My ISP (Softbank) provides IPv6 at an additional cost, roughly $10/mo extra on top of my already high Internet bill.
... and then there's this nonsense some ISPs do. Hoping at least it's a decent /64, not even a /128. That amount per month pays a /40 or a /36 on IPv6 at this moment.
That makes sense. @skorous was listing you as a good provider like v6node that has NAT64. I think it's pretty rare. I'm glad to get confirmation that this is correct though.
To be clear, I was listing then as A provider that has NAT64 set up. I'm not actually a client and don't have any direct knowledge of them as a provider. I have been watching their discussions on the subject for a while though and enjoying them.
@yucchun said:
You'd be surprised to find out there's some providers out there that don't even offer NAT64/v4/6to4 peering.
I was shocked when I had just freshly installed Debian 13 onto a storage v6-only VPS I got, and when I went to rclone data to it from a v4-only host, I found out it couldn't establish IPv4 connections in general.
Had to serve using a third server as a relay.
I've been around since ipv4 NAT vps were without IPv6 at all, so not really surprised. Heck, my ISP didn't offer IPv6 till just a few years ago!
Btw, which host was it? Is it still around or was just a summer host?
Still around, here in LES with us..! Won't spit the name publicly though.
L**....
My ISP (Softbank) provides IPv6 at an additional cost, roughly $10/mo extra on top of my already high Internet bill.
** This topic got me calling my ISP in order to find out more about IPv6, as they also block 6to4 tunnels.
They offered me v6plus AND PPPoE on the same line for free -- BUT:
Con: Need to rent ISP-branded router that can handle both connections at the same time
Solution: Will buy a router that's OpenWRT-able, make that dual entry myself and return their rental router
I currently host my entire house on a TP-Link AX1800, not because it's good, but because it's simple.
We shall innovate
@yucchun said:
** This topic got me calling my ISP in order to find out more about IPv6, as they also block 6to4 tunnels.
They offered me v6plus AND PPPoE on the same line for free -- BUT:
Con: Need to rent ISP-branded router that can handle both connections at the same time
Solution: Will buy a router that's OpenWRT-able, make that dual entry myself and return their rental router
I currently host my entire house on a TP-Link AX1800, not because it's good, but because it's simple.
We shall innovate
It's time to upgrade to OpnSense! Get a old computer with at least 2 LAN ports (or install a network card in the slot if using old desktop) and get a forever router! You can use your existing TP Link for the wifi AP or for whatever you are using it now for. You can even copy the rental router's mac address if needed onto your opnsense box!
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
@yucchun said:
** This topic got me calling my ISP in order to find out more about IPv6, as they also block 6to4 tunnels.
They offered me v6plus AND PPPoE on the same line for free -- BUT:
Con: Need to rent ISP-branded router that can handle both connections at the same time
Solution: Will buy a router that's OpenWRT-able, make that dual entry myself and return their rental router
I currently host my entire house on a TP-Link AX1800, not because it's good, but because it's simple.
We shall innovate
It's time to upgrade to OpnSense! Get a old computer with at least 2 LAN ports (or install a network card in the slot if using old desktop) and get a forever router! You can use your existing TP Link for the wifi AP or for whatever you are using it now for. You can even copy the rental router's mac address if needed onto your opnsense box!
OpenWRT is a decent, if buggy solution depending on the hardware. I ran it for my small from home services for the last decade- up until recently. Other than some hardware being finicky or flaky, it's decent for what you're paying for. Just make sure you get some well supported hardware and you won't have an issue. I was running dual stack on a 15-year-old Netgear and it was perfectly fine.
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To be clear, I was listing then as A provider that has NAT64 set up. I'm not actually a client and don't have any direct knowledge of them as a provider. I have been watching their discussions on the subject for a while though and enjoying them.
** This topic got me calling my ISP in order to find out more about IPv6, as they also block 6to4 tunnels.
They offered me v6plus AND PPPoE on the same line for free -- BUT:
Con: Need to rent ISP-branded router that can handle both connections at the same time
Solution: Will buy a router that's OpenWRT-able, make that dual entry myself and return their rental router
I currently host my entire house on a TP-Link AX1800, not because it's good, but because it's simple.
We shall innovate
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It's time to upgrade to OpnSense! Get a old computer with at least 2 LAN ports (or install a network card in the slot if using old desktop) and get a forever router! You can use your existing TP Link for the wifi AP or for whatever you are using it now for. You can even copy the rental router's mac address if needed onto your opnsense box!
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
Just looks like v6plus+PPPoE fuckery
datalix's aff #1 fan
OpenWRT is a decent, if buggy solution depending on the hardware. I ran it for my small from home services for the last decade- up until recently. Other than some hardware being finicky or flaky, it's decent for what you're paying for. Just make sure you get some well supported hardware and you won't have an issue. I was running dual stack on a 15-year-old Netgear and it was perfectly fine.
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