@toor said: Swap Space: Permitted, but overuse (more than 25-30% of RAM) may lead to performance issues and warnings.
25% of what? Swap or Physical?
They don't want your swap to be over 25-30% of the RAM of your VPS plan. So if you have a 1GB VPS, the swap should not be larger than 250-300mb.
This is odd, i've never seen provider limit swap usage like this. How's this affect performance anyways?
Buy VPS with small RAM, add mucho swap, overload with applications so as to utilize the swap as RAM most of the time, kill node disk I/O. Profit. Although I don't expect that limiting swap to 25% will actually help disk I/O.
@toor said: Swap Space: Permitted, but overuse (more than 25-30% of RAM) may lead to performance issues and warnings.
25% of what? Swap or Physical?
They don't want your swap to be over 25-30% of the RAM of your VPS plan. So if you have a 1GB VPS, the swap should not be larger than 250-300mb.
This is odd, i've never seen provider limit swap usage like this. How's this affect performance anyways?
Buy VPS with small RAM, add mucho swap, overload with applications so as to utilize the swap as RAM most of the time, kill node disk I/O. Profit. Although I don't expect that limiting swap to 25% will actually help disk I/O.
@FrankZ said:
Buy VPS with small RAM, add mucho swap, overload with applications so as to utilize the swap as RAM most of the time, kill node disk I/O. Profit. Although I don't expect that limiting swap to 25% will actually help disk I/O.
More eloquently said as always. ;-)
Which is why you beat me to the punch. I take too much time to compose comments.
@toor said: Swap Space: Permitted, but overuse (more than 25-30% of RAM) may lead to performance issues and warnings.
25% of what? Swap or Physical?
They don't want your swap to be over 25-30% of the RAM of your VPS plan. So if you have a 1GB VPS, the swap should not be larger than 250-300mb.
This is odd, i've never seen provider limit swap usage like this. How's this affect performance anyways?
Buy VPS with small RAM, add mucho swap, overload with applications so as to utilize the swap as RAM most of the time, kill node disk I/O. Profit. Although I don't expect that limiting swap to 25% will actually help disk I/O.
If disk IO is a concern, I would opt for IOPS limitation. As for swap, I believe that zram is a better option even for lowend CPU.
@skhron said: As for swap, I believe that zram is a better option even for lowend CPU.
Then you'll end up hitting vCPU share limits due to the compression overhead (on low-end VPS), so it's a toss-up.
The provider writes strict limits as an excuse to delete customer VPS without warning.
VirmAche and GreenCloudVPS pioneered this practice.
It's well known that these VPS are only for idling and cannot be actually used.
@skhron said: As for swap, I believe that zram is a better option even for lowend CPU.
Then you'll end up hitting vCPU share limits due to the compression overhead (on low-end VPS), so it's a toss-up.
The provider writes strict limits as an excuse to delete customer VPS without warning.
VirmAche and GreenCloudVPS pioneered this practice.
It's well known that these VPS are only for idling and cannot be actually used.
That's too bad, I thought I liked my Charity Host VPS, but now it costs $25 to use any email related port and decreased CPU fair use sucks.
Also, it seems even idling could make you hit the vCPU share limits:
Discounted VPS – up to 25% of total CPU core capacity. Sustained CPU% is calculated from the hypervisor host.
NOTE: Depending on the compute workload, the hypervisor may register 10% to 35% more CPU usage than the VPS metrics itself due to virtualization overheads.
In the best case: 25% - 10% means the vCPU limit is really 15%.
In the worst case: 25% - 35% mean the vCPU limit is really -10%.
So if you are idling at 0%, the hypervisor could register your usage at 35%, meaning you are 10% past your limit lol
@skhron said: As for swap, I believe that zram is a better option even for lowend CPU.
Then you'll end up hitting vCPU share limits due to the compression overhead (on low-end VPS), so it's a toss-up.
The provider writes strict limits as an excuse to delete customer VPS without warning.
VirmAche and GreenCloudVPS pioneered this practice.
It's well known that these VPS are only for idling and cannot be actually used.
That's too bad, I thought I liked my Charity Host VPS, but now it costs $25 to use any email related port and decreased CPU fair use sucks.
Also, it seems even idling could make you hit the vCPU share limits:
Discounted VPS – up to 25% of total CPU core capacity. Sustained CPU% is calculated from the hypervisor host.
NOTE: Depending on the compute workload, the hypervisor may register 10% to 35% more CPU usage than the VPS metrics itself due to virtualization overheads.
In the best case: 25% - 10% means the vCPU limit is really 15%.
In the worst case: 25% - 35% mean the vCPU limit is really -10%.
So if you are idling at 0%, the hypervisor could register your usage at 35%, meaning you are 10% past your limit lol
Has the provider closed email related ports that you were using and asked you for $25 to reopen them?
Normally this type of TOS change, port closings, allows current customers to be grandfathered and only effects customer purchases after the TOS effective date.
This kind of change, counting hypervisor overhead & reducing fair share limits, shortly after purchase seems kind of shady to me.
I'd be interested to hear if this change actually becomes an issue for LESbians, or if the provider is just trying to cover his ass for abusers and continues to apply this TOS change fairly to the average user.
NOTE: This provider has not been active on LES since Dec 14th, 2024, so I don't expect a clarification from the provider.
@skhron said: As for swap, I believe that zram is a better option even for lowend CPU.
Then you'll end up hitting vCPU share limits due to the compression overhead (on low-end VPS), so it's a toss-up.
The provider writes strict limits as an excuse to delete customer VPS without warning.
VirmAche and GreenCloudVPS pioneered this practice.
It's well known that these VPS are only for idling and cannot be actually used.
That's too bad, I thought I liked my Charity Host VPS, but now it costs $25 to use any email related port and decreased CPU fair use sucks.
Also, it seems even idling could make you hit the vCPU share limits:
Discounted VPS – up to 25% of total CPU core capacity. Sustained CPU% is calculated from the hypervisor host.
NOTE: Depending on the compute workload, the hypervisor may register 10% to 35% more CPU usage than the VPS metrics itself due to virtualization overheads.
In the best case: 25% - 10% means the vCPU limit is really 15%.
In the worst case: 25% - 35% mean the vCPU limit is really -10%.
So if you are idling at 0%, the hypervisor could register your usage at 35%, meaning you are 10% past your limit lol
Has the provider closed email related ports that you were using and asked you for $25 to reopen them?
Normally this type of TOS change, port closings, allows current customers to be grandfathered and only effects customer purchases after the TOS effective date.
I haven't set up an MTA on that particular VPS yet so I will have to try it out. Yesterday 1/31/2025, I received an email addressed to me that the Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) has been updated, effective Friday, 31st January 2025, and that I should familiarize myself with these changes, so from that it sounded like all of it applies to a server I already purchased.
Title : Refactoring of VPS HDD Storage services and limitations
Dear [],
We have created new VPS HDD Storage plans to focus on maintaining stability, reliability and performance for all VPS HDD Storage customers.
Recently, we have had to take action on VPS HDD Storage service AUP violations. In order prevent these occurences we have refactored the VPS HDD Storage plans to accodomate all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers. These plans are intended for storage and backups, not for compute. The underlying host has IO and resource limitations that cannot accomodate excessive use of compute and IO for services on these VPS.
Due to this, we kindly ask that you focus the use of your VPS HDD Storage service for actual data storage and backups, and not use these as primary compute for services.
We have tried to keep your legacy resources as is, however, as we mentioned, when compute use is excessive, we have to act to protect your VPS as well as others on these hosts. Therefor we have had to align current VPS HDD Storage plans to the new model.
Apologies for any inconveniences.
We thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Title : Refactoring of VPS HDD Storage services and limitations
...In order prevent these occurences we have refactored the VPS HDD Storage plans to accodomate all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers.
...
We have tried to keep your legacy resources as is, however, as we mentioned, when compute use is excessive, we have to act to protect your VPS as well as others on these hosts. Therefor we have had to align current VPS HDD Storage plans to the new model.
...
What does all that even mean? What is the new model? What does, accodomate (accommodate?) all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers mean? So legacy resources have, can, or will be changed?
I think they are going about this backwards. I think they need to identify the abusers (which it sounds like they can and have), warn them once, then if they continue, kick them to the curb with no refund for violating TOS/AUP. That way they don't have to keep tightening the reigns on all customers, just to try and control a few ***hole abusers.
Title : Refactoring of VPS HDD Storage services and limitations
...In order prevent these occurences we have refactored the VPS HDD Storage plans to accodomate all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers.
...
We have tried to keep your legacy resources as is, however, as we mentioned, when compute use is excessive, we have to act to protect your VPS as well as others on these hosts. Therefor we have had to align current VPS HDD Storage plans to the new model.
...
What does all that even mean? What is the new model? What does, accodomate (accommodate?) all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers mean? So legacy resources have, can, or will be changed?
I think they are going about this backwards. I think they need to identify the abusers (which it sounds like they can and have), warn them once, then if they continue, kick them to the curb with no refund for violating TOS/AUP. That way they don't have to keep tightening the reigns on all customers, just to try and control a few ***hole abusers.
Welp, they didnt give much context on what happens. Maybe not just few ass abuser, may be a lot abusers since they ran 1.88$/m 500G HDD promotion last december on OGF. I believe this attract a lot of abusers on their HDD node
Ok so some AUP changes again. Yep, we adjust to demand and what makes most balanced sense. Some adjustments are good, others protect from abusers.
You will notice you can burst to 100% all you want as long as your average CPU is below 50% of all cores the VPS has and anything over that will be automatically limited to 50%. Once the average CPU is below 50% again, it automatically removes the rate limit. The checks are historical in stats and span 1 month plus. So pro tip is to not ramp your CPU right when you start to much, or the daily check will kick in the cpu cap quicker, because it's measuring cpu % average since the VPS existed. Of course, another method is to upgrade to your core count for more CPU power.
Necropost? Usually its better to open a new thread if the thread is over 2 months old...
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
@somik said:
Necropost? Usually its better to open a new thread if the thread is over 2 months old...
He is necroposting to preserve his reputation. The OGF released information on what he did and banned him, so it is too late for that, I'm afraid.
He just snooped on his users files without permission and terminated free offers (he gave those out to promote his business) once his company was well known, as well as paid people for good reviews and report any bad reviews.
Hmm, when you list them down, it does sound like a lot of bad things... And I may have missed out a few things here and there...
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
@CharityHost_org said:
Ok so some AUP changes again. Yep, we adjust to demand and what makes most balanced sense. Some adjustments are good, others protect from abusers.
You will notice you can burst to 100% all you want as long as your average CPU is below 50% of all cores the VPS has and anything over that will be automatically limited to 50%. Once the average CPU is below 50% again, it automatically removes the rate limit. The checks are historical in stats and span 1 month plus. So pro tip is to not ramp your CPU right when you start to much, or the daily check will kick in the cpu cap quicker, because it's measuring cpu % average since the VPS existed. Of course, another method is to upgrade to your core count for more CPU power.
@legendary said:
This "provider" soon will rebrand due to colosal reputation damage and probably incoming chargebacks. Run with your data away, while you have time.
If people are still complaining about data loss, you reminding them to backup their data wont help... They'll still come back next week and say "my data got deleted and i got no backup"....
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
@legendary said:
This "provider" soon will rebrand due to colosal reputation damage and probably incoming chargebacks. Run with your data away, while you have time.
He will return under a completely anonymous business registration like a few other residents here.
@legendary said:
This "provider" soon will rebrand due to colosal reputation damage and probably incoming chargebacks. Run with your data away, while you have time.
He will return under a completely anonymous business registration like a few other residents here.
☠️
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It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
We have been deliberately targeted by the trolls in the LET Forum, who set a trap to suspend a troll account for violating the Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), and subsequently used this suspension to launch a coordinated attack on us in the LET Forum. These attackers have even created websites with the intention of discrediting and disparaging our services, using these ploys to boost search engine rankings and traffic. Unfortunately, we are not the first host service provider to suffer from such means, nor will we be the last.
LET is an issue forum full of destructive trolls who are driven by harmful behavior. In addition, they continue to charge for service provider status despite LET having banned us. While we canceled our service in April this year, they charged again without authorization last month, forcing us to file a dispute with the bank.
Specifically, users actively led these attacks on other websites such as LET and trustpilot.com. This user repeatedly violated AUP with bait and honeypot tactics in an attempt to provoke a breach and damage our reputation. Users provocations have attracted troll groups and continue to harass us on LET and related platforms.
Here are some links showing these ongoing questions and their associated evaluations:
Do not fall victim to trolls and their propaganda.
Administrators, moderators and the owners of LET are at least encourage trolling. It is likely that they themselves are these trolls, hidden under aliases in forums and elsewhere. Even LET “Administrator trolls”, they set up a malicious fake website to distort the facts and prevent the real situation from being understood. It’s propaganda. Believe it or not, but if you do believe it, you fell into the same troll trap.
They mocked and laughed at us on our support channels and chats, laughing and saying they wanted us to go out of business.
They even harassed my phone with text messages and threatened me, “We know where you live! You understand!”
LET keeps charging my bank and had to put a dispute at the bank. They are charging me $100 every 6 months for no service, being banned, after I cancelled. That is fraud and theft.
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Buy VPS with small RAM, add mucho swap, overload with applications so as to utilize the swap as RAM most of the time, kill node disk I/O. Profit. Although I don't expect that limiting swap to 25% will actually help disk I/O.
More eloquently said as always. ;-)
Which is why you beat me to the punch. I take too much time to compose comments.
If disk IO is a concern, I would opt for IOPS limitation. As for swap, I believe that zram is a better option even for lowend CPU.
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Then you'll end up hitting vCPU share limits due to the compression overhead (on low-end VPS), so it's a toss-up.
However its performance is higher and in case of abuse it is enough to throttle only CPU.
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The provider writes strict limits as an excuse to delete customer VPS without warning.
VirmAche and GreenCloudVPS pioneered this practice.
It's well known that these VPS are only for idling and cannot be actually used.
vps9hostname is available. affbrrThat's too bad, I thought I liked my Charity Host VPS, but now it costs $25 to use any email related port and decreased CPU fair use sucks.
Also, it seems even idling could make you hit the vCPU share limits:
15%.-10%.So if you are idling at 0%, the hypervisor could register your usage at 35%, meaning you are 10% past your limit lol
Has the provider closed email related ports that you were using and asked you for $25 to reopen them?
Normally this type of TOS change, port closings, allows current customers to be grandfathered and only effects customer purchases after the TOS effective date.
This kind of change, counting hypervisor overhead & reducing fair share limits, shortly after purchase seems kind of shady to me.
I'd be interested to hear if this change actually becomes an issue for LESbians, or if the provider is just trying to cover his ass for abusers and continues to apply this TOS change fairly to the average user.
NOTE: This provider has not been active on LES since Dec 14th, 2024, so I don't expect a clarification from the provider.
I haven't set up an MTA on that particular VPS yet so I will have to try it out. Yesterday 1/31/2025, I received an email addressed to me that the Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) has been updated, effective Friday, 31st January 2025, and that I should familiarize myself with these changes, so from that it sounded like all of it applies to a server I already purchased.
AUP has changed again:
https://charityhost.org/acceptable-use-policy/
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250202194139/https://charityhost.org/acceptable-use-policy/
Diff (Red = Old, Green = New)
… after we stirred up drama on OGF.
vps9hostname is available. affbrr@CharityHost_org is Prem.
I understand having issues with change in AUS but I think it wil better their services in the long run.
I got an email from charityhosting
Title : Refactoring of VPS HDD Storage services and limitations
Dear [],
We have created new VPS HDD Storage plans to focus on maintaining stability, reliability and performance for all VPS HDD Storage customers.
Recently, we have had to take action on VPS HDD Storage service AUP violations. In order prevent these occurences we have refactored the VPS HDD Storage plans to accodomate all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers. These plans are intended for storage and backups, not for compute. The underlying host has IO and resource limitations that cannot accomodate excessive use of compute and IO for services on these VPS.
Due to this, we kindly ask that you focus the use of your VPS HDD Storage service for actual data storage and backups, and not use these as primary compute for services.
We have tried to keep your legacy resources as is, however, as we mentioned, when compute use is excessive, we have to act to protect your VPS as well as others on these hosts. Therefor we have had to align current VPS HDD Storage plans to the new model.
Apologies for any inconveniences.
We thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
What does all that even mean? What is the new model? What does, accodomate (accommodate?) all Storage and Backup use cases for VPS HDD Storage customers mean? So legacy resources have, can, or will be changed?
I think they are going about this backwards. I think they need to identify the abusers (which it sounds like they can and have), warn them once, then if they continue, kick them to the curb with no refund for violating TOS/AUP. That way they don't have to keep tightening the reigns on all customers, just to try and control a few ***hole abusers.
Welp, they didnt give much context on what happens. Maybe not just few ass abuser, may be a lot abusers since they ran 1.88$/m 500G HDD promotion last december on OGF. I believe this attract a lot of abusers on their HDD node
Ok so some AUP changes again. Yep, we adjust to demand and what makes most balanced sense. Some adjustments are good, others protect from abusers.
You will notice you can burst to 100% all you want as long as your average CPU is below 50% of all cores the VPS has and anything over that will be automatically limited to 50%. Once the average CPU is below 50% again, it automatically removes the rate limit. The checks are historical in stats and span 1 month plus. So pro tip is to not ramp your CPU right when you start to much, or the daily check will kick in the cpu cap quicker, because it's measuring cpu % average since the VPS existed. Of course, another method is to upgrade to your core count for more CPU power.
https://charityhost.org/aup
Necropost? Usually its better to open a new thread if the thread is over 2 months old...
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
He is necroposting to preserve his reputation. The OGF released information on what he did and banned him, so it is too late for that, I'm afraid.
He just snooped on his users files without permission and terminated free offers (he gave those out to promote his business) once his company was well known, as well as paid people for good reviews and report any bad reviews.
Hmm, when you list them down, it does sound like a lot of bad things... And I may have missed out a few things here and there...
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
what you need to adjust is your shit attitude
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
This "provider" soon will rebrand due to colosal reputation damage and probably incoming chargebacks. Run with your data away, while you have time.
If people are still complaining about data loss, you reminding them to backup their data wont help... They'll still come back next week and say "my data got deleted and i got no backup"....
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
He will return under a completely anonymous business registration like a few other residents here.
☠️
Hello, introducing our new non-china based host, DonationHost.com.cn.org! Charityhost? No no, not related to them, infact, never even heard of them. We are definitely a different summer host here to take your money erm, give you quality service, give you service you wont forget!
It’s OK if you disagree with me. I can’t force you to be right!
IPv4: 32 bits of stress. IPv6: 128 bits of... well, more stress... Have anyone seen my subnet?
Is this still going on?
We have been deliberately targeted by the trolls in the LET Forum, who set a trap to suspend a troll account for violating the Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), and subsequently used this suspension to launch a coordinated attack on us in the LET Forum. These attackers have even created websites with the intention of discrediting and disparaging our services, using these ploys to boost search engine rankings and traffic. Unfortunately, we are not the first host service provider to suffer from such means, nor will we be the last.
LET is an issue forum full of destructive trolls who are driven by harmful behavior. In addition, they continue to charge for service provider status despite LET having banned us. While we canceled our service in April this year, they charged again without authorization last month, forcing us to file a dispute with the bank.
Specifically, users actively led these attacks on other websites such as LET and trustpilot.com. This user repeatedly violated AUP with bait and honeypot tactics in an attempt to provoke a breach and damage our reputation. Users provocations have attracted troll groups and continue to harass us on LET and related platforms.
Here are some links showing these ongoing questions and their associated evaluations:
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/charityhost.org
We urge everyone to be vigilant when interacting with Lowendtalk, as their forums have malicious actors who exploit such means.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/lowendtalk.com
https://www.trustpilot.com/reviews/68912ee0387c52795ca6c37b
Do not fall victim to trolls and their propaganda.
Administrators, moderators and the owners of LET are at least encourage trolling. It is likely that they themselves are these trolls, hidden under aliases in forums and elsewhere. Even LET “Administrator trolls”, they set up a malicious fake website to distort the facts and prevent the real situation from being understood. It’s propaganda. Believe it or not, but if you do believe it, you fell into the same troll trap.
They mocked and laughed at us on our support channels and chats, laughing and saying they wanted us to go out of business.
They even harassed my phone with text messages and threatened me, “We know where you live! You understand!”
LET keeps charging my bank and had to put a dispute at the bank. They are charging me $100 every 6 months for no service, being banned, after I cancelled. That is fraud and theft.