I forget exactly where, but somewhere on LES there is a 50% off for Migadu! I think it's a code you send in with a support ticket or something like that, I don't remember and it's been over a year since I did it, but I don't think it was time-limited.
MXroute (my notes) has served me very well since 2018.
Lifetime well worth it - for peace of mind primarily (no credit card renewals, failed payment worries etc).
For a really low budget alternative, you may look into NameCrane's Cranemail (my notes), though it seems inferior in all aspects except GB of storage per $ paid.
Not sure about those others - haven't given them much thought or testing.
Fastmail has very stringent send/receive quotas, both hourly and daily, on the $5/user plan. It required upgrading to the $9/user plan to get more reasonable limits, but the limits are still easy to hit doing normal stuff.
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On a related/derailing note, how well does Gomailify.com (Gmailify by @dejan became Gomailify IIRC) work after GMail removed POP3 fetching? Just forwarding to GMail has some issues/challenges? 🤔
On a related/derailing note, how well does Gomailify.com (Gmailify by @dejan became Gomailify IIRC) work after GMail removed POP3 fetching? Just forwarding to GMail has some issues/challenges? 🤔
IMO, forwarding is a bad idea in the long run.
Opinions differ, but that's mine.
I would not rely on forwarding as a default solution for my "main" email.
Sure, if an employee is fired, forwarding their company email to the office or department makes sense, at least for a while.
But that's where I'd draw the line.
Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
That is an admirable feat to achieve IMO.
When google finally disables POP3 support, we may see a lot more people using forwarding (unless majority are already using it that way).
I still refuse (and recommend against) adding more steps unless really necessary, but for many folks it will probably be the simplest and most convenient solution.
@Joseph said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
A lot of people prefer Gmails front end, and so they forward everything into it.
No, it doesn't make any sense to me either, but people are weird.
You can use the free Gmail app and browser to have your emails wherever you go - without storing the emails on your server (they are stored on Google).
Google also has very good spam and phishing protection - but I'm not sure how that fares with forwarded emails (while POP3 was still possible with google - that extra protection layer was nice).
@Joseph said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
A lot of people prefer Gmails front end, and so they forward everything into it.
No, it doesn't make any sense to me either, but people are weird.
You can use the free Gmail app and browser to have your emails wherever you go - without storing the emails on your server (they are stored on Google).
You can use access your emails by app and browser on just about any mail service (and certainly the Gmail app used to allow you to add any IMAP account, not sure if it still does); as for storage, well they're going to be stored somewhere and I'm not convinced that Google's server is any more special than A.N.Other mail provider's.
Google also has very good spam and phishing protection - but I'm not sure how that fares with forwarded emails (while POP3 was still possible with google - that extra protection layer was nice).
That's a very fair point and about the strongest argument for going that route.
@Joseph said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
A lot of people prefer Gmails front end, and so they forward everything into it.
No, it doesn't make any sense to me either, but people are weird.
You can use the free Gmail app and browser to have your emails wherever you go - without storing the emails on your server (they are stored on Google).
You can use access your emails by app and browser on just about any mail service (and certainly the Gmail app used to allow you to add any IMAP account, not sure if it still does); as for storage, well they're going to be stored somewhere and I'm not convinced that Google's server is any more special than A.N.Other mail provider's.
I'm not selling it, just explaining the reasons - for me and others (as I encountered them).
My 10 GB lifetime MXroute plan could serve dozen emails easily for as long as POP3 is used to move emails from the server.
Google allowed that, plus you could see all your emails accross devices and locations (along with any custom directories, address book etc.).
You can emulate that using any service (right now I'm using IMAP on MXroute and Cranemail), but it's not the same, and the price/needed storage space is not the same (Google gives you 15 GB of free storage for each Gmail account).
Google also has very good spam and phishing protection - but I'm not sure how that fares with forwarded emails (while POP3 was still possible with google - that extra protection layer was nice).
That's a very fair point and about the strongest argument for going that route.
In practice, at least MXroute and Cranemail have good enough spam filters that it's not a huge problem - but yes, having an extra layer is good and Google is very good at that.
Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
Oh, that's interesting. IIRC correctly there used to be an issue related to SRS support and some providers (Yahoo?) having strict DMARC policy, so forwarding would fail?
That issue is gone now? 🤔😃
@bikegremlin said:
You can use the free Gmail app and browser to have your emails wherever you go - without storing the emails on your server (they are stored on Google).
But if it's really a matter of Nice UI, you can use the free Gmail app with any mail provider... no need to send all your mail through Google servers
@bikegremlin said:
You can use the free Gmail app and browser to have your emails wherever you go - without storing the emails on your server (they are stored on Google).
But if it's really a matter of Nice UI, you can use the free Gmail app with any mail provider... no need to send all your mail through Google servers
I am not sure I'm following you.
With POP3 support, I could use MXroute MX and SMTP, and store emails on Gmail.
Gmail was working as a mail client + mail storage.
Was just confirming that you can use the GMail app and its pretty UI ("mail client") with every "mail storage"/"MX"/"SMTP" (and combination thereof) of your choice. Not required for mail to hit google's servers/discks.
@Joseph said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
Can only speak for myself, but my reasoning is this:
I've worked with email my entire life. I have used Lotus Notes, qmail, postfix, sendmail, every version ever released of Exchange, point and click stuff on windows such as mDaemon and hardcore stuff such as SIMS on Solaris. If it transports email in one way or another, there is a high probability I've used it. So I'm no stranger to email infrastructure, and not to sound over confident, but if it came down to running my own mailserver I would probably do it better then most email providers.
But still, my main inbox is a gmail inbox. Why? Because not only is it free, it also outperforms basically everything else, free or paid.
There is no way I or anyone else (with very few exceptions) could ever even come close to the kind of infrastructure that Google has, the resources are just enormous. The amount of features are just mindboggling and the security is topnotch. The spam filtering is really good and I can access my email via web, their app (which I have to reluctantly admit is not bad at all) or via whatever client I prefer, be it on phone, pc or web. I am usually not a Google fanboy but there is just no way to deny that gmail is a fantastic service. At least until Google decides to kill it. They do have a history of killing good services.
With that being said about gmail, I do have lifetimes with both MXroute and Namecrane and I can not say enough good about the two of them. Excellent services and extremely good value considering the price. Would not hesitate to recommend them both.
@Joseph said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
Can only speak for myself, but my reasoning is this:
I've worked with email my entire life. I have used Lotus Notes, qmail, postfix, sendmail, every version ever released of Exchange, point and click stuff on windows such as mDaemon and hardcore stuff such as SIMS on Solaris. If it transports email in one way or another, there is a high probability I've used it. So I'm no stranger to email infrastructure, and not to sound over confident, but if it came down to running my own mailserver I would probably do it better then most email providers.
But still, my main inbox is a gmail inbox. Why? Because not only is it free, it also outperforms basically everything else, free or paid.
There is no way I or anyone else (with very few exceptions) could ever even come close to the kind of infrastructure that Google has, the resources are just enormous. The amount of features are just mindboggling and the security is topnotch. The spam filtering is really good and I can access my email via web, their app (which I have to reluctantly admit is not bad at all) or via whatever client I prefer, be it on phone, pc or web. I am usually not a Google fanboy but there is just no way to deny that gmail is a fantastic service. At least until Google decides to kill it. They do have a history of killing good services.
With that being said about gmail, I do have lifetimes with both MXroute and Namecrane and I can not say enough good about the two of them. Excellent services and extremely good value considering the price. Would not hesitate to recommend them both.
Important difference is that Google can kill my account without any fault of my own or any explanation.
I trust Jarland and Francisco a lot more than I trust Google.
Also, using my domain email - even if a provider is just closed, I can host my email elsewhere.
That's important since email accounts are used for registering with practically every service nowadays.
Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
Oh, that's interesting. IIRC correctly there used to be an issue related to SRS support and some providers (Yahoo?) having strict DMARC policy, so forwarding would fail?
That issue is gone now? 🤔😃
I'm not sure if everyone who matters changed their DMARC or if Google selectivity relaxed enforcement, I'm too afraid to check. But complaints about it at near zero and never about important senders.
Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Yeah. My entire existence is actually just to be an accessory to Google. I'm a keychain on a Google backpack. I've accepted it.
@Joseph said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
Can only speak for myself, but my reasoning is this:
I've worked with email my entire life. I have used Lotus Notes, qmail, postfix, sendmail, every version ever released of Exchange, point and click stuff on windows such as mDaemon and hardcore stuff such as SIMS on Solaris. If it transports email in one way or another, there is a high probability I've used it. So I'm no stranger to email infrastructure, and not to sound over confident, but if it came down to running my own mailserver I would probably do it better then most email providers.
But still, my main inbox is a gmail inbox. Why? Because not only is it free, it also outperforms basically everything else, free or paid.
There is no way I or anyone else (with very few exceptions) could ever even come close to the kind of infrastructure that Google has, the resources are just enormous. The amount of features are just mindboggling and the security is topnotch. The spam filtering is really good and I can access my email via web, their app (which I have to reluctantly admit is not bad at all) or via whatever client I prefer, be it on phone, pc or web. I am usually not a Google fanboy but there is just no way to deny that gmail is a fantastic service. At least until Google decides to kill it. They do have a history of killing good services.
With that being said about gmail, I do have lifetimes with both MXroute and Namecrane and I can not say enough good about the two of them. Excellent services and extremely good value considering the price. Would not hesitate to recommend them both.
Important difference is that Google can kill my account without any fault of my own or any explanation.
That is true, but that is true about any provider. I would say the chances that a big player like Google do it without proper heads up are a lot smaller then the risk of a small player simply deadpooling or shutting down.
I trust Jarland and Francisco a lot more than I trust Google.
Not speaking ill of Jarland or Francisco in any way, they are both shining gems in this industry in every way, but I still see it as more likely that one of them disappears than Google disappearing. Not that I see any of it happening, but just in comparison. It has nothing to do with trust, it's just simple statistics and logic.
Also, using my domain email - even if a provider is just closed, I can host my email elsewhere.
Well, the question I answered was "why forward to gmail", so yes, I also use my own domain. If gmail shuts down, I forward it elsewhere. Which I already do, as a backup, but that's besides the point.
That's important since email accounts are used for registering with practically every service nowadays.
Was ready to launch this during Black Friday of 2024, but held off as it was the wrong time to enter the market with Namecrane launching at the same time and also knowing that we'd be doing a massive datacenter migration that would have disrupted service for the email hosting in the coming months.
Sort of sat on the project a while, getting busy with other things.
It's back on the table now and should be ready soon(ish)!
@Shot² said:
Too bad all these nice projects are always US-based
We're a US based company but the service will be in Bulgaria. Where would you realistically like to see companies registered, assuming it doesn't make it nearly impossible or not worth the bureaucratic hassle to register a company in that country as a non-resident?
People gloat about the "offshore companies" then limit themselves to being blacklisted from banking and merchant accounts like PayPal. Then there is the option to register a foreign owned company in a number of European countries, but then you've gotta deal with their overbearing tax policies and changing landscape towards speech (bUt GdRp!!!) and stuff.
This was not a criticism addressed to your service specifically.
Companies can get registered in any effingcountry they want if they think it's easier or cheaper for them.
Just like consumers can snub any company or product they want for whatever reason they like ^^
@MannDude said:
Was ready to launch this during Black Friday of 2024, but held off as it was the wrong time to enter the market with Namecrane launching at the same time and also knowing that we'd be doing a massive datacenter migration that would have disrupted service for the email hosting in the coming months.
Sort of sat on the project a while, getting busy with other things.
It's back on the table now and should be ready soon(ish)!
Looking forward to this.
If you plan to sell any lifetime deals (at reasonable cost, with the idea to avoid monthly charges, not to get stuff for free/supercheap), I'd be happy to support with my $.
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I agree I think Migadu is really overpriced for what you get, I think it used to be around 10 a year and then they doubled it.
Two more I haven't seen mentioned:
https://www.spaceship.com/business-email/#plans
Extremely generous free 100gb plan from Larksuite with the Caveat that it's hosted by the TikTok company:
https://www.larksuite.com/en_us/plans
At first it looked like they delete messages after 18 months but now it looks like that's chat only messages.
I forget exactly where, but somewhere on LES there is a 50% off for Migadu! I think it's a code you send in with a support ticket or something like that, I don't remember and it's been over a year since I did it, but I don't think it was time-limited.
Actually, went back and found it: https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/134158/#Comment_134158
MXroute (my notes) has served me very well since 2018.
Lifetime well worth it - for peace of mind primarily (no credit card renewals, failed payment worries etc).
For a really low budget alternative, you may look into NameCrane's Cranemail (my notes), though it seems inferior in all aspects except GB of storage per $ paid.
Not sure about those others - haven't given them much thought or testing.
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Fastmail has very stringent send/receive quotas, both hourly and daily, on the $5/user plan. It required upgrading to the $9/user plan to get more reasonable limits, but the limits are still easy to hit doing normal stuff.
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On a related/derailing note, how well does Gomailify.com (Gmailify by @dejan became Gomailify IIRC) work after GMail removed POP3 fetching? Just forwarding to GMail has some issues/challenges? 🤔
IMO, forwarding is a bad idea in the long run.
Opinions differ, but that's mine.
I would not rely on forwarding as a default solution for my "main" email.
Sure, if an employee is fired, forwarding their company email to the office or department makes sense, at least for a while.
But that's where I'd draw the line.
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Unless you have me overseeing it. I forward all of my personal email to Gmail now so that I have to face the consequences of any failure first hand, because I've accepted the fact that this is most of what I do. And frankly, I'm ready to call it flawless.
Obviously "flawless" is a trademarked advertising bullet point. It's short for "Flawless enough that I could give $1000 to every user that organically finds it to not be flawless without being homeless."
Do everything as though everyone you’ll ever know is watching.
P> @jarland said:
Most of what you do entails forwarding to Gmail?
That is an admirable feat to achieve IMO.
When google finally disables POP3 support, we may see a lot more people using forwarding (unless majority are already using it that way).
I still refuse (and recommend against) adding more steps unless really necessary, but for many folks it will probably be the simplest and most convenient solution.
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Sorry for being dumb but... What is the point of forwarding through Gmail?
Happy customer at AlexHost, AxusHost, Bakker-IT, Host-C, Ionos, Veesp + NanoKVM ftw.
A lot of people prefer Gmails front end, and so they forward everything into it.
No, it doesn't make any sense to me either, but people are weird.
You can use the free Gmail app and browser to have your emails wherever you go - without storing the emails on your server (they are stored on Google).
Google also has very good spam and phishing protection - but I'm not sure how that fares with forwarded emails (while POP3 was still possible with google - that extra protection layer was nice).
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You can use access your emails by app and browser on just about any mail service (and certainly the Gmail app used to allow you to add any IMAP account, not sure if it still does); as for storage, well they're going to be stored somewhere and I'm not convinced that Google's server is any more special than A.N.Other mail provider's.
That's a very fair point and about the strongest argument for going that route.
I'm not selling it, just explaining the reasons - for me and others (as I encountered them).
My 10 GB lifetime MXroute plan could serve dozen emails easily for as long as POP3 is used to move emails from the server.
Google allowed that, plus you could see all your emails accross devices and locations (along with any custom directories, address book etc.).
You can emulate that using any service (right now I'm using IMAP on MXroute and Cranemail), but it's not the same, and the price/needed storage space is not the same (Google gives you 15 GB of free storage for each Gmail account).
In practice, at least MXroute and Cranemail have good enough spam filters that it's not a huge problem - but yes, having an extra layer is good and Google is very good at that.
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Oh, that's interesting. IIRC correctly there used to be an issue related to SRS support and some providers (Yahoo?) having strict DMARC policy, so forwarding would fail?
That issue is gone now? 🤔😃
But if it's really a matter of Nice UI, you can use the free Gmail app with any mail provider... no need to send all your mail through Google servers
Happy customer at AlexHost, AxusHost, Bakker-IT, Host-C, Ionos, Veesp + NanoKVM ftw.
I am not sure I'm following you.
With POP3 support, I could use MXroute MX and SMTP, and store emails on Gmail.
Gmail was working as a mail client + mail storage.
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Was just confirming that you can use the GMail app and its pretty UI ("mail client") with every "mail storage"/"MX"/"SMTP" (and combination thereof) of your choice. Not required for mail to hit google's servers/discks.
Happy customer at AlexHost, AxusHost, Bakker-IT, Host-C, Ionos, Veesp + NanoKVM ftw.
Can only speak for myself, but my reasoning is this:
I've worked with email my entire life. I have used Lotus Notes, qmail, postfix, sendmail, every version ever released of Exchange, point and click stuff on windows such as mDaemon and hardcore stuff such as SIMS on Solaris. If it transports email in one way or another, there is a high probability I've used it. So I'm no stranger to email infrastructure, and not to sound over confident, but if it came down to running my own mailserver I would probably do it better then most email providers.
But still, my main inbox is a gmail inbox. Why? Because not only is it free, it also outperforms basically everything else, free or paid.
There is no way I or anyone else (with very few exceptions) could ever even come close to the kind of infrastructure that Google has, the resources are just enormous. The amount of features are just mindboggling and the security is topnotch. The spam filtering is really good and I can access my email via web, their app (which I have to reluctantly admit is not bad at all) or via whatever client I prefer, be it on phone, pc or web. I am usually not a Google fanboy but there is just no way to deny that gmail is a fantastic service. At least until Google decides to kill it. They do have a history of killing good services.
With that being said about gmail, I do have lifetimes with both MXroute and Namecrane and I can not say enough good about the two of them. Excellent services and extremely good value considering the price. Would not hesitate to recommend them both.
Important difference is that Google can kill my account without any fault of my own or any explanation.
I trust Jarland and Francisco a lot more than I trust Google.
Also, using my domain email - even if a provider is just closed, I can host my email elsewhere.
That's important since email accounts are used for registering with practically every service nowadays.
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I'm not sure if everyone who matters changed their DMARC or if Google selectivity relaxed enforcement, I'm too afraid to check. But complaints about it at near zero and never about important senders.
Do everything as though everyone you’ll ever know is watching.
Yeah. My entire existence is actually just to be an accessory to Google. I'm a keychain on a Google backpack. I've accepted it.
Do everything as though everyone you’ll ever know is watching.
That is true, but that is true about any provider. I would say the chances that a big player like Google do it without proper heads up are a lot smaller then the risk of a small player simply deadpooling or shutting down.
Not speaking ill of Jarland or Francisco in any way, they are both shining gems in this industry in every way, but I still see it as more likely that one of them disappears than Google disappearing. Not that I see any of it happening, but just in comparison. It has nothing to do with trust, it's just simple statistics and logic.
Well, the question I answered was "why forward to gmail", so yes, I also use my own domain. If gmail shuts down, I forward it elsewhere. Which I already do, as a backup, but that's besides the point.
Absolutely agree.
Was ready to launch this during Black Friday of 2024, but held off as it was the wrong time to enter the market with Namecrane launching at the same time and also knowing that we'd be doing a massive datacenter migration that would have disrupted service for the email hosting in the coming months.
Sort of sat on the project a while, getting busy with other things.
It's back on the table now and should be ready soon(ish)!
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Too bad all these nice projects are always US-based
Happy customer at AlexHost, AxusHost, Bakker-IT, Host-C, Ionos, Veesp + NanoKVM ftw.
We're a US based company but the service will be in Bulgaria. Where would you realistically like to see companies registered, assuming it doesn't make it nearly impossible or not worth the bureaucratic hassle to register a company in that country as a non-resident?
People gloat about the "offshore companies" then limit themselves to being blacklisted from banking and merchant accounts like PayPal. Then there is the option to register a foreign owned company in a number of European countries, but then you've gotta deal with their overbearing tax policies and changing landscape towards speech (bUt GdRp!!!) and stuff.
US is simple.
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[ The Internet Speech & Privacy Company ]
This was not a criticism addressed to your service specifically.
Companies can get registered in any effingcountry they want if they think it's easier or cheaper for them.
Just like consumers can snub any company or product they want for whatever reason they like ^^
Happy customer at AlexHost, AxusHost, Bakker-IT, Host-C, Ionos, Veesp + NanoKVM ftw.
Looking forward to this.
If you plan to sell any lifetime deals (at reasonable cost, with the idea to avoid monthly charges, not to get stuff for free/supercheap), I'd be happy to support with my $.
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