WHMCS 8 - coming soon

InceptionHosting · July 2020

https://twitter.com/whmcs/status/1278239939017224193

I did wonder what made them suddenly start replying to 7-year-old feature requests with tons of community support all of a sudden.

So who wants to take some guesses at what WHMCS 8 will mean.

The top fears are:

Broken 3rd party modules
A loss of yet more reporting
Admin dashboard gets even less worth having
They still insist on asking for nameservers for dedicated and virtual server signups confusing customers for the last 10 years.

The top hopes are:

The daily automation reports are back in a human-readable format.
They finally accept that users being able to change currency is important and implement.
They remove the nameserver requirements for VPS/dedicated.
better solusvm integration now they are owned by the same parent company much like they did for cpanel.

Any wants/bets?

WSCallum · July 2020

A full redesign of the admin area especially is long overdue, the client area could do with a good makeover as well.

SolusVM is a dead horse and will get absolutely 0 attention, Solus.io on the other hand, i’ll be surprised if they don’t come up with some good integration between them there at some point. (More likely Solus will release their WHMCS module for WHMCS 8 only).

InceptionHosting · July 2020

I am not so sure about that, solusvm v1 currently and probably for the foreseeable future in the sole source of income for the solus brand, given what minor tweaks could do for improvement with minimal effort I would hope to see some updates on the WHMCS side but time will tell.

Neoon · July 2020

@AnthonySmith said:
3. They remove the nameserver requirements for VPS/dedicated.

vyas · July 2020

@Neoon said:

@AnthonySmith said:
3. They remove the nameserver requirements for VPS/dedicated.

But I like reading the "what do I write for ns1 and ns2" posts

[Deleted User] · July 2020

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[Deleted User] · July 2020

You can hide the ns1-ns2

For example

using the standard_cart/configureproduct.tpl, you could replace the nameserver code with

<input type="hidden" name="ns1prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs1prefix" value="ns1">
<input type="hidden" name="ns2prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs2prefix" value="ns2">

If you only wanted to remove it for some dedicated server or vps products, you could use an {if} statement and specify the ones to ask for nameservers, but the above should remove it for all of your products.

InceptionHosting · July 2020

@hotlineservers said:
You can hide the ns1-ns2

For example

using the standard_cart/configureproduct.tpl, you could replace the nameserver code with

<input type="hidden" name="ns1prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs1prefix" value="ns1">
<input type="hidden" name="ns2prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs2prefix" value="ns2">

If you only wanted to remove it for some dedicated server or vps products, you could use an {if} statement and specify the ones to ask for nameservers, but the above should remove it for all of your products.

I have seen variations of that solution posted a number of times, I tried it a literal age ago and it caused issues with something or other, I genuinely forget what now that ultimately made it impossible for some customers to complete orders, obviously a disaster.

I was not alone in that, coupled with every minor update reverting it, its a pain to manage at best.

[Deleted User] · July 2020

The problem is most leave the value=""> blank. It needs something there for the order to go forward. That is why we just use ns1 and ns2 and it works without any issues.

InceptionHosting · July 2020

@hotlineservers said:
The problem is most leave the value=""> blank. It needs something there for the order to go forward. That is why we just use ns1 and ns2 and it works without any issues.

Do you have any custom products setup using the "No module" option?

Francisco · July 2020

@AnthonySmith said: bets?

End of life time licenses.

Francisco

vpsgeek3333 · July 2020

@Francisco said:

@AnthonySmith said: bets?

End of life time licenses.

Francisco

Price hike as well?

[Deleted User] · July 2020

@AnthonySmith said:

@hotlineservers said:
The problem is most leave the value=""> blank. It needs something there for the order to go forward. That is why we just use ns1 and ns2 and it works without any issues.

Do you have any custom products setup using the "No module" option?

No I dont.

MikeA · July 2020

WHMCS will start charging per core of any servers you use to provision clients on. Have a cPanel server with 6 cores? That's $30/m. Have three SolusVM slaves with 32 cores? That's $160/m.

Mr_Tom · July 2020

@WSCallum said: Solus.io on the other hand, i’ll be surprised if they don’t come up with some good integration between them there at some point.

They have said there will be good integration with WHMCS, as well as the option to bill from inside Solus via WHMCS module - but they didn't tell me which version that was for (it was in the TODO for SolusIO anyway).

seriesn · July 2020

Here is my take,

Lifetime will stay but, no more option to purchase upgrades/supports without switching to their new price scheme. And/or, expensive support extension, which will make it not worth while. Not to mention, introduction of hostbill like setup, where if you miss one version, no more upgrade to the next one.
Price hike? May or may not happen to that extent, but probably something like 10 cents per users or so.
Revamped UI? Probably more aligned with "cloud" styled panels, since the new push with.
CPANEL/SVM is quota based billing, might as well get the look.
Maybe a cleaner more user friendly UI and cart templates?
Crap ton of old modules and codes will stop functioning.
Hopefully a nicer admin UI, better reporting and tax integration.
Better and cleaner cpanel/svm integration, while letting other panels create their own modules.

AlexanderM · July 2020

Would be nice to turn off "features"... cough* SSL monitoring *cough

mikho · July 2020

@hotlineservers said:
You can hide the ns1-ns2

For example

using the standard_cart/configureproduct.tpl, you could replace the nameserver code with

<input type="hidden" name="ns1prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs1prefix" value="ns1">
<input type="hidden" name="ns2prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs2prefix" value="ns2">

If you only wanted to remove it for some dedicated server or vps products, you could use an {if} statement and specify the ones to ask for nameservers, but the above should remove it for all of your products.

This is what I used until I changed templates and forgot to add the code back in.

??‍♂️

Francisco · July 2020

@vpsgeek3333 said:

@Francisco said:

@AnthonySmith said: bets?

End of life time licenses.

Francisco

Price hike as well?

I think they'll do like ubersmith did and put 'you cant upgrade past this without enrolling in the new licensing model'.

They would remove the unlimited option and charge a flat fee for all active users. I also see the price going up as the "1000 active" is $0.02/user/month. I see that going to $0.10 - $0.20, maybe even more (maybe a per service fee?).

Francisco

hostEONS · August 2020

@AnthonySmith said:

@hotlineservers said:
You can hide the ns1-ns2

For example

using the standard_cart/configureproduct.tpl, you could replace the nameserver code with

<input type="hidden" name="ns1prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs1prefix" value="ns1">
<input type="hidden" name="ns2prefix" class="form-control" id="inputNs2prefix" value="ns2">

If you only wanted to remove it for some dedicated server or vps products, you could use an {if} statement and specify the ones to ask for nameservers, but the above should remove it for all of your products.

I have seen variations of that solution posted a number of times, I tried it a literal age ago and it caused issues with something or other, I genuinely forget what now that ultimately made it impossible for some customers to complete orders, obviously a disaster.

I was not alone in that, coupled with every minor update reverting it, its a pain to manage at best.

The problem is not just name servers but even with hostname, if a customer does not enters a valid hostname it also won't proceed further, also it won't allow you to use same hostname twice in the order form, I mean if another vps exists with same hostname then too it won't allow that order (or at least that's what I remember)

We have hidden the hostname as well as name servers from the order form and just use a random hostname e.g. vps342342342.hosteons.com and ns1 and ns2 for name servers, this random hostname is generated using random number generator function.

vpsgeek3333 · August 2020

WHMCS 8.0 Beta is now available.

Sooner or later a price increase based on the cPanel model is going to happen & judging by the policies of VCs behind them I think they are going to ditch those with owned licenses in not very distant future. If you are an established provider, have been in this industry for 5+ years & your business generates a decent amount of revenue & you are or shall be looking to expand your offerings in near future then switch to something like HostBill. If you are new to the industry or you are an established host interested in offering shared & vps only then probably get an owned Blesta license.

Right now is the best time to switch because others might increase their prices once WHMCS do that.

vyas · August 2020

Unlike the other green forum, this thread did not trigger any bans

PureVoltage · August 2020

In for the interest of what will end up happening....

InceptionHosting · August 2020

@vyas said:

Unlike the other green forum, this thread did not trigger any bans

Why would this thread trigger a ban?

MichaelCee · August 2020

@AnthonySmith said:

@vyas said:

Unlike the other green forum, this thread did not trigger any bans

Why would this thread trigger a ban?

OP of WHMCS Beta 8 thread on LET got banned. Dunno why, but they allegedly were doing the dodgy with nulled shit.

vyas · August 2020

@AnthonySmith said:

@vyas said:

Unlike the other green forum, this thread did not trigger any bans

Why would this thread trigger a ban?

OP for the thread On LET (hostfactor) had a second account (Zuby something). Apparently zuby left good reviews for hostfactor.
Hf got banned. Not sure about the other

Francisco · August 2020

@vpsgeek3333 said:
WHMCS 8.0 Beta is now available.

Sooner or later a price increase based on the cPanel model is going to happen & judging by the policies of VCs behind them I think they are going to ditch those with owned licenses in not very distant future. If you are an established provider, have been in this industry for 5+ years & your business generates a decent amount of revenue & you are or shall be looking to expand your offerings in near future then switch to something like HostBill. If you are new to the industry or you are an established host interested in offering shared & vps only then probably get an owned Blesta license.

Right now is the best time to switch because others might increase their prices once WHMCS do that.

Yep. They already do that for new licenses but it has an 'unlimited' option at $50/month. Meh, but not jaw breaking.

What do you think the price goes to? I see them doing $0.50/month per active customer or similar.

Francisco

MikeA · August 2020

@Francisco said:
What do you think the price goes to? I see them doing $0.50/month per active customer or similar.

Do they really want to peg themselves like that? I wouldn't think so. I don't want to deal with switching... but I think many of us would switch at that point.

Francisco · August 2020

@MikeA said:

@Francisco said:
What do you think the price goes to? I see them doing $0.50/month per active customer or similar.

Do they really want to peg themselves like that? I wouldn't think so. I don't want to deal with switching... but I think many of us would switch at that point.

They have the numbers of what the real cpanel cancellation was in relation to revenue.

In a year I've only been able to cancel a single buyshared node. Basically anyone with 10 or 20 a accounts usually stayed. The main people the jumped ship had hundreds.

Blesta is ok but still a far ways away. Hostbill is maybe good but very costly. Thats it.

For us we would most likely start investing time into building some sort of billing into stallion.

Francisco

MikeA · August 2020

@Francisco said:
Blesta is ok but still a far ways away. Hostbill is maybe good but very costly. Thats it.

For us we would most likely start investing time into building some sort of billing into stallion.

Francisco

Yeah, in your case using Stallion for that would be great. Kinda wish I had done game servers and VPS separately for reasons like this and support.

nullnothere · August 2020

@Francisco said: For us we would most likely start investing time into building some sort of billing into stallion.

Wouldn't it make sense to try to use Stripe and just integrate via some API calls to sort of get a decent billing setup (without having to rebuild everything)?

WHMCS 8 - coming soon

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