Searching for a VPS for Proxmox Backup Server

cyagoncyagon
edited March 2021 in Requests

Hello,

Im currently searching for a good VPS for Proxmox Backup Server. This would need:

  • 2x CPU
  • 4GB RAM ECC
  • 1TB Storage (doesn't need to be SSD, but it needs good I/O)
  • 1Gbit connection, 4TB Bandwidth
  • Location: Europe, or just somewhere with good connection to Hetzners Falkenstein location
  • Price: 8-10€/Month, 6-Month contract period when needed
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  • alwyzonalwyzon Hosting Provider

    PBS is an amazing piece of software; even for backups of other stuff than virtual machines. And, while I see that you just want to fulfil the officially recommended system requirements for PBS, I fear that combination of price and requirements is a bit unrealistic. (Especially, since the combination of 4 GB RAM and 1 TB storage might be unusual for storage servers.)

    Alwyzon - Virtual Servers in Austria starting at 4,49 €/month (excl. VAT)

  • AlwaysSkintAlwaysSkint OGSenpai

    I use a OnePovider server in France, for my PBS
    Intel Atom C2350 - 1.7 GHz - 2 core(s)
    4GB - DDR3
    1x 1TB (HDD SATA)
    Bandwidth Unmetered @ 1Gbps

    Recurring Amount $8.33 USD (though probably a special deal.)

    It works well enough. :)

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  • cyagoncyagon
    edited March 2021

    @AlwaysSkint said:
    I use a OnePovider server in France, for my PBS
    Intel Atom C2350 - 1.7 GHz - 2 core(s)
    4GB - DDR3
    1x 1TB (HDD SATA)
    Bandwidth Unmetered @ 1Gbps

    Recurring Amount $8.33 USD (though probably a special deal.)

    It works well enough. :)

    I have this exact server for testing (for 6€/Month). Problem is, this server is pretty slow on I/O, and its just one HDD. When someone knows how to transfer this server to another user, im happy to do so.

    @alwyzon said:
    PBS is an amazing piece of software; even for backups of other stuff than virtual machines. And, while I see that you just want to fulfil the officially recommended system requirements for PBS, I fear that combination of price and requirements is a bit unrealistic. (Especially, since the combination of 4 GB RAM and 1 TB storage might be unusual for storage servers.)

    Of course, there are possibilities in terms of price. Im currently orienting on Contabos Offering for 16€ / VPS 1400. Problem is, i have pretty bad experiences with Contabo, since they oversold my booked nodes like mad.

  • alwyzonalwyzon Hosting Provider

    @cyagon said:
    I have this exact server for testing (for 6€/Month). Problem is, this server is pretty slow on I/O, and its just one HDD.

    I get your point regarding redundancy, but what kind of disk I/O rates would you be looking for? Intel Atom sounds like a dedi, that should already give you fast disk I/O solely because it's a non-shared disk.

    Alwyzon - Virtual Servers in Austria starting at 4,49 €/month (excl. VAT)

  • SpeedBusSpeedBus Hosting ProviderOG

    Something like this could work maybe ?

    4 GB RAM
    2 CPU Cores
    1000 GB Disk Space
    4 TB bandwidth @ 1 Gbit/s
    1 IPv4 + /64 of IPv6

    Located at Frankfurt, Germany
    KVM based
    At $12/month,

    https://crowncloud.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=541

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  • benj0xbenj0x OG

    Can recommend Backblaze B2 for backup purposes, if a VM isn't a must. Running daily backups towards them since they don't care about inbound bandwidth usage.

  • cyagoncyagon
    edited March 2021

    @SpeedBus said:
    Something like this could work maybe ?

    4 GB RAM
    2 CPU Cores
    1000 GB Disk Space
    4 TB bandwidth @ 1 Gbit/s
    1 IPv4 + /64 of IPv6

    Located at Frankfurt, Germany
    KVM based
    At $12/month,

    https://crowncloud.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=541

    Looks good, thanks ^^
    Although i probably dont need 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 Ipv6 addresses ?

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  • cyagoncyagon

    @benj0x said:
    Can recommend Backblaze B2 for backup purposes, if a VM isn't a must. Running daily backups towards them since they don't care about inbound bandwidth usage.

    Proxmox Backup Server is not compatible with S3 storages (yet?).

  • ehabehab

    @cyagon you have ( @Mr_Tom or @SpeedBus ) = prem or @cociu

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  • Mr_TomMr_Tom OG

    Thanks for the mtnion @ehab

    We could do the spec you need in Hetzners Finland DC - these are HDD based they've got good IO (I'll dig out a YABS if it helps).

    I can't get this into 10eur/month budget though, so if you can be a little flexible then perfect - you'd be looking at £10.50/month = approx 12.40eur.

  • martijnkmartijnk
    edited March 2021

    https://billing.novos.be/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=1

    €14/mo if you want I can throw in 4096 MB RAM.

    This is Ceph triple replicated SATA storage. Expandable and very reliable. The nvme is triple rep as well.
    2 months free with yearly payment. We have proxmox backup server as ISO to mount.

    Btw you will also get HA in case of node failure :)

  • alwyzonalwyzon Hosting Provider

    Since all the offers here already ask for compromises, let's continue with another suggestion: the production recommendation for PBS bare-metal installations is 4 GB, but that likely includes some of it for the memory-hungry RAID-Z2 (as also recommended in the same section of the documentation). But, there is no need for ZFS on a VPS as the hypervisor already handles disk redundancy. So, how about risking the minimum recommendation of 2 GB RAM instead? That would allow you to stay below your 10 €/month threshold:

    Storage Server 2T: 8,70 € per month for…
    ✓ 2 GB DDR4 ECC Memory
    ✓ 2 vCore Intel® Xeon® Silver CPU
    ✓ 2 TB HDD Storage (RAID 6/Cached)
    ✓ 1000 Mb/s Up- and Downlink
    ✓ Location: Vienna, Austria
    ✓ Powered by KVM & Proxmox
    ✓ 1x IPv4 + /64 IPv6 included
    ✓ 8 TB Monthly Unthrottled Bandwidth

    [[ ORDER NOW ]]
    (All prices excl. VAT)

    Custom ISOs (for the PBS installer) can be uploaded over the client area too. YABS is attached below, but that doesn't tell you much about the real-world disk I/O as it just benches the cache. Disks are SAS-3 HDDs (Western Digital Ultrastars) behind Dells flagship RAID controller, the PERC H740P with a small battery-backed cache, running in RAID6 configuration. Hetzner is locally present at the Vienna Internet Exchange, so the connectivity towards Falkenstein should be top-notch too (Looking Glass).

    This is a YABS of the Storage Server 1T, the smaller brother of the 2T:

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
#              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
#                     v2020-12-29                    #
# https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #

Sun 14 Mar 2021 02:51:00 PM UTC

Basic System Information:
---------------------------------
Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) Silver 4210 CPU @ 2.20GHz
CPU cores  : 1 @ 2194.842 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
RAM        : 981.2 MiB
Swap       : 0.0 KiB
Disk       : 969.1 GiB

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 88.88 MB/s   (22.2k) | 1.26 GB/s    (19.7k)
Write      | 89.11 MB/s   (22.2k) | 1.27 GB/s    (19.8k)
Total      | 177.99 MB/s  (44.4k) | 2.53 GB/s    (39.6k)
           |                      |                     
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 3.87 GB/s     (7.5k) | 4.07 GB/s     (3.9k)
Write      | 4.08 GB/s     (7.9k) | 4.34 GB/s     (4.2k)
Total      | 7.95 GB/s    (15.5k) | 8.42 GB/s     (8.2k)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                |                           |                 |                
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 929 Mbits/sec   | 933 Mbits/sec  
Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 927 Mbits/sec   | 932 Mbits/sec  
WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 928 Mbits/sec   | 935 Mbits/sec  
Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | busy            | busy           
Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 698 Mbits/sec   | 888 Mbits/sec  
Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 447 Mbits/sec   | 858 Mbits/sec  
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 731 Mbits/sec   | 842 Mbits/sec  
Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | busy            | busy           

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                |                           |                 |                
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 916 Mbits/sec   | 919 Mbits/sec  
Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 919 Mbits/sec   | 920 Mbits/sec  
WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 916 Mbits/sec   | 922 Mbits/sec  
Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 767 Mbits/sec   | 873 Mbits/sec  
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 792 Mbits/sec   | 836 Mbits/sec  

Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value                         
                |                               
Single Core     | 841                           
Multi Core      | 847                           
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/6948173
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  • cyagoncyagon

    @SpeedBus said:
    Something like this could work maybe ?

    4 GB RAM
    2 CPU Cores
    1000 GB Disk Space
    4 TB bandwidth @ 1 Gbit/s
    1 IPv4 + /64 of IPv6

    Located at Frankfurt, Germany
    KVM based
    At $12/month,

    https://crowncloud.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=541

    could you sent a YABS?

  • cyagoncyagon
    edited March 2021

    @alwyzon said:
    Since all the offers here already ask for compromises, let's continue with another suggestion: the production recommendation for PBS bare-metal installations is 4 GB, but that likely includes some of it for the memory-hungry RAID-Z2 (as also recommended in the same section of the documentation). But, there is no need for ZFS on a VPS as the hypervisor already handles disk redundancy. So, how about risking the minimum recommendation of 2 GB RAM instead? That would allow you to stay below your 10 €/month threshold:

    Storage Server 2T: 8,70 € per month for…
    ✓ 2 GB DDR4 ECC Memory
    ✓ 2 vCore Intel® Xeon® Silver CPU
    ✓ 2 TB HDD Storage (RAID 6/Cached)
    ✓ 1000 Mb/s Up- and Downlink
    ✓ Location: Vienna, Austria
    ✓ Powered by KVM & Proxmox
    ✓ 1x IPv4 + /64 IPv6 included
    ✓ 8 TB Monthly Unthrottled Bandwidth

    [[ ORDER NOW ]]
    (All prices excl. VAT)

    Custom ISOs (for the PBS installer) can be uploaded over the client area too. YABS is attached below, but that doesn't tell you much about the real-world disk I/O as it just benches the cache. Disks are SAS-3 HDDs (Western Digital Ultrastars) behind Dells flagship RAID controller, the PERC H740P with a small battery-backed cache, running in RAID6 configuration. Hetzner is locally present at the Vienna Internet Exchange, so the connectivity towards Falkenstein should be top-notch too (Looking Glass).

    This is a YABS of the Storage Server 1T, the smaller brother of the 2T:

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
#              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
#                     v2020-12-29                    #
# https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #

Sun 14 Mar 2021 02:51:00 PM UTC

Basic System Information:
---------------------------------
Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) Silver 4210 CPU @ 2.20GHz
CPU cores  : 1 @ 2194.842 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
RAM        : 981.2 MiB
Swap       : 0.0 KiB
Disk       : 969.1 GiB

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 88.88 MB/s   (22.2k) | 1.26 GB/s    (19.7k)
Write      | 89.11 MB/s   (22.2k) | 1.27 GB/s    (19.8k)
Total      | 177.99 MB/s  (44.4k) | 2.53 GB/s    (39.6k)
           |                      |                     
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 3.87 GB/s     (7.5k) | 4.07 GB/s     (3.9k)
Write      | 4.08 GB/s     (7.9k) | 4.34 GB/s     (4.2k)
Total      | 7.95 GB/s    (15.5k) | 8.42 GB/s     (8.2k)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                |                           |                 |                
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 929 Mbits/sec   | 933 Mbits/sec  
Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 927 Mbits/sec   | 932 Mbits/sec  
WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 928 Mbits/sec   | 935 Mbits/sec  
Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | busy            | busy           
Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 698 Mbits/sec   | 888 Mbits/sec  
Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 447 Mbits/sec   | 858 Mbits/sec  
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 731 Mbits/sec   | 842 Mbits/sec  
Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | busy            | busy           

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                |                           |                 |                
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 916 Mbits/sec   | 919 Mbits/sec  
Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 919 Mbits/sec   | 920 Mbits/sec  
WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 916 Mbits/sec   | 922 Mbits/sec  
Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 767 Mbits/sec   | 873 Mbits/sec  
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 792 Mbits/sec   | 836 Mbits/sec  

Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value                         
                |                               
Single Core     | 841                           
Multi Core      | 847                           
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/6948173

    Thanks for the offer!
    Problem is, the 2GB RAM only work when you just use it to store the data and not extract it. When you want to use the file-level extraction features in the web-interface, the RAM-Usage instantly shoots well above 2GB RAM, even without ZFS

  • ehabehab

    @cyagon said:

    maybe if you give a good time joke to @alwyzon he can bump the ram for same price.

  • cyagoncyagon

    @ehab said:

    @cyagon said:

    maybe if you give a good time joke to @alwyzon he can bump the ram for same price.

    Im a moron when it comes to funny socializing, that would probably backfire ?

  • ehabehab
    edited March 2021

    @cyagon said:

    i have been there .. many years ago ..... if i can go back in time first i let go of my shyness and then let it all hang out : )
    come on ....
    now its your chance to make or break a good deal

    @alwyzon are you in this?

  • alwyzonalwyzon Hosting Provider
    edited March 2021

    @cyagon said:
    Problem is, the 2GB RAM only work when you just use it to store the data and not extract it. When you want to use the file-level extraction features in the web-interface, the RAM-Usage instantly shoots well above 2GB RAM, even without ZFS

    Oh, I see. Sorry, but in that case I can't be of much help. The setup of the storage servers uses local SAS disks, so RAM and disk storage is always linked. Can't offer you more RAM without more disk space, otherwise utilisation of these nodes would be inefficient.

    Alwyzon - Virtual Servers in Austria starting at 4,49 €/month (excl. VAT)

  • ehabehab
    edited March 2021

    no worries @cyagon there will be other chances to be free :)

  • SpeedBusSpeedBus Hosting ProviderOG
    edited March 2021

    @cyagon said:

    @SpeedBus said:
    Something like this could work maybe ?

    4 GB RAM
    2 CPU Cores
    1000 GB Disk Space
    4 TB bandwidth @ 1 Gbit/s
    1 IPv4 + /64 of IPv6

    Located at Frankfurt, Germany
    KVM based
    At $12/month,

    https://crowncloud.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=541

    could you sent a YABS?

    Sure thing!,

    Also,

    • CPU-Passthrough can be enabled for free, should net some more performance on some applications which need those CPU flags (ignore the CPU listed in the result below, it's a Dual E5-2680 v4 in reality, haven't enabled passthrough for this test VM)
    • Maybe enabling BBR could further improve networking speeds, haven't tested this yet.
    [root@vps ~]# curl -sL yabs.sh | bash
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
#              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
#                     v2020-12-29                    #
# https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #

Wed Mar 31 09:36:16 EDT 2021

Basic System Information:
---------------------------------
Processor  : Intel Core Processor (Haswell, IBRS)
CPU cores  : 4 @ 2599.996 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM        : 1.8 GiB
Swap       : 512.0 MiB
Disk       : 38.8 GiB

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 34.49 MB/s    (8.6k) | 75.37 MB/s    (1.1k)
Write      | 34.59 MB/s    (8.6k) | 75.77 MB/s    (1.1k)
Total      | 69.08 MB/s   (17.2k) | 151.15 MB/s   (2.3k)
           |                      |
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 328.33 MB/s    (641) | 1.65 GB/s     (1.6k)
Write      | 345.77 MB/s    (675) | 1.75 GB/s     (1.7k)
Total      | 674.10 MB/s   (1.3k) | 3.41 GB/s     (3.3k)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed
                |                           |                 |
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 531 Mbits/sec   | 809 Mbits/sec
Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 541 Mbits/sec   | 821 Mbits/sec
WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 515 Mbits/sec   | 863 Mbits/sec
Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | busy            | busy
Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 153 Mbits/sec   | 153 Mbits/sec
Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 527 Mbits/sec   | 125 Mbits/sec
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 491 Mbits/sec   | 313 Mbits/sec
Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | 487 Mbits/sec   | 217 Mbits/sec

Geekbench 5 test failed. Run manually to determine cause.

    CrownCloud - Internet Services | Los Angeles, California | Frankfurt, Germany | Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Atlanta, Georgia | Miami, Florida

  • skorupionskorupion Services Provider

    @cyagon said:

    @AlwaysSkint said:
    I use a OnePovider server in France, for my PBS
    Intel Atom C2350 - 1.7 GHz - 2 core(s)
    4GB - DDR3
    1x 1TB (HDD SATA)
    Bandwidth Unmetered @ 1Gbps

    Recurring Amount $8.33 USD (though probably a special deal.)

    It works well enough. :)

    I have this exact server for testing (for 6€/Month). Problem is, this server is pretty slow on I/O, and its just one HDD. When someone knows how to transfer this server to another user, im happy to do so.

    @alwyzon said:
    PBS is an amazing piece of software; even for backups of other stuff than virtual machines. And, while I see that you just want to fulfil the officially recommended system requirements for PBS, I fear that combination of price and requirements is a bit unrealistic. (Especially, since the combination of 4 GB RAM and 1 TB storage might be unusual for storage servers.)

    Of course, there are possibilities in terms of price. Im currently orienting on Contabos Offering for 16€ / VPS 1400. Problem is, i have pretty bad experiences with Contabo, since they oversold my booked nodes like mad.

    For Contabo you can nowadays pretty easily change nodes. Just shoot them an email and they will change it in milliseconds. When I had a node change i had only 3 seconds of downtime. Also don't forget to ask them to unlock disk speeds.

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  • AdvinAdvin Hosting Provider

    NexusBytes might be a great option,
    https://nexusbytes.com/storage-vps

    Very cheap pricing.

    I am a representative of Advin Servers

  • fragpicfragpic OG

    @cyagon
    I just installed PBS on a VPS with a single 3TB disk and it looks like it used all of it to install the OS.
    How does one split out the disk so it can be used for backup storage?

  • fragpicfragpic OG

    Never mind, I figured it out. I had to use lvm commands to reduce the root volume and then created a new volume for backup storage. I then mounted this volume to a mount point and used this path to add as data store. Everything is working smoothly now.

  • NeoonNeoon OGSenpai
    edited April 2021

    @AlwaysSkint said:
    I use a OnePovider server in France, for my PBS
    Intel Atom C2350 - 1.7 GHz - 2 core(s)
    4GB - DDR3
    1x 1TB (HDD SATA)
    Bandwidth Unmetered @ 1Gbps

    Recurring Amount $8.33 USD (though probably a special deal.)

    It works well enough. :)

    That price is far away from special, it has been sold for 1.99€ at Online or 4.99€ at OneProvider.
    Keep an eye on it, so you can swap and save some moneys.

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  • AlwaysSkintAlwaysSkint OGSenpai
    edited April 2021

    @Neoon
    I have the Scaleway/Online 1.99€ one too. ;)
    Never managed to grab the OneProvider (steal) deals so far.

    It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
    NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)

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