@dwight said: This is great! I remembered there were fiber channel drives but they are rare now, mainly because SATA and NVME can provide much higher speeds.
We still have a 14 bay, I think, FC shelf from Netapp with 450GB drives at 15K, box has 2 controllers, 2 GBPS FC each. We were amazed at the speed of a raid 10 out of that, it actually saturated the 2 GBPS FC line, ooo, the golden days.....
If it helps anyone - I got a 12 TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (my German - Amazon.de affiliate link) for about $270.
The picture says "Pro", the description doesn't, but I got the Pro allright. Passed all the stress tests, and has been working fine for a few months now. Looks good enough for me to have just ordered a second one.
Amazon reviews say it's refurbished (and hence the low price), but it doesn't state that anywhere on the package - and it looks, sounds, and works OK (at least the one I got, we'll see about the second one).
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The picture says "Pro", the description doesn't, but I got the Pro allright. Passed all the stress tests, and has been working fine for a few months now. Looks good enough for me to have just ordered a second one.
Amazon reviews say it's refurbished (and hence the low price), but it doesn't state that anywhere on the package - and it looks, sounds, and works OK (at least the one I got, we'll see about the second one).
Refurbished can also mean it's a customer return. Someone who ordered and decided to returned it cause they didn't like it or didn't need it or other reason. The vendor will test it and sell it as refurbished.
Sometimes it's also the shucked drives from external hdd enclosures on sale or even extra stock they want to get rid of before the warranty is close to expiry.
Not much difference from the real deal so as long as it works for you, good enough.
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Weren't those the drives part of a larger scam where old drives were sold as "new"?
Read about smth a couple weeks ago.
Was smth about manipulated FARM stats etc. Some mydealz user commented that the Power on Hours suddenly were way more when using
smartctl --log=farm /dev/[DRIVE] | grep "Power of Hours"
More than 250 readers have now emailed us about their hard disks that were purchased as new but have already been used. Capacities of 4 to 16 TByte are affected, mostly drives from the Exos server series, and now more and more from the Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro NAS series. The fraud can be detected by software (such as smartmontools or Hard Disk Sentinel) and by querying the FARM values, and there are also some obvious signs on the housing and especially on the sticker.
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Weren't those the drives part of a larger scam?
Read about smth a couple weeks ago.
Was smth about manipulated FARM stats etc. Some mydealz user commented that the Power on Hours suddenly were way more when using
smartctl --log=farm /dev/[DRIVE] | grep "Power of Hours"
More than 250 readers have now emailed us about their hard disks that were purchased as new but have already been used. Capacities of 4 to 16 TByte are affected, mostly drives from the Exos server series, and now more and more from the Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro NAS series. The fraud can be detected by software (such as smartmontools or Hard Disk Sentinel) and by querying the FARM values, and there are also some obvious signs on the housing and especially on the sticker.
There are also YT videos how you can check your drives were affected
This one was brand new.
Judging by how it sounds and behaves, it looks like a hardware failure (not electronics).
I did keep it in a HDD external rack, and power it on for a few hours once per week.
Maybe it is better to keep a HDD inside a computer case with some active cooling - will try to do that in the future (and keap the external rack just for saving data when servicing computers).
Also, I will buy locally, so that I can use warranty in case of failures - even if it ends up being more expensive (I just ordered a 12 TB WD Ultrastar from a local shop and will see how it fares - this one seems to actually be cheaper in Serbia than Seagate IronWolf, Toshiba N300 or WD Red and Gold series - go figure).
EDIT:
@bikegremlin bad luck. Maybe the seller will reimburse given it's a known issue?
Seagate as a company won't do anything. (they do let you register a HDD on their site and claim some coverage, but at least in this case they directed me to the seller and that's it).
Seller, from German Amazon, wants me to ship the HDD to his warehouse in Germany.
That is a logistics problem.
Also, and I realized that right after I got the seller's request, I had some unencrypted data on that drive (100% my fault, no excuse). So, I would rather lose the money than risk exposing my pigeon pics (client data is less critical). I do have spare backups, but I wasn't considering a drive failing suddenly before I can safely clean the data (again, 100% my stupidity). At this time, I plan to use it to show my son how a hard drive is built, and how the data is securely destroyed on a faulty hard drive.
Ah, fair enough. In that case shipping it in won't really be worth it, I guess. Congrats on having a son btw! Didn't know you had one, so train them well in the arts of drives and bikes
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Sucks, always sad to hear about a crappy experience with a drive failing like that so soon
A bit of a tangent, but internally I kind of chuckle when we'll get someone asking why a HDD in a rented server has 30-50k Power On Hours (Ultrastar / HGST / Toshiba usually) and how that is far too many compared to their desktop WDC blue or whatever. I definitely trust certain brands/models significantly more than others, and that many hours on a 2.5m MTBF Enterprise HDD is like a Toyota with 35k miles on it. You finally know its good at that point. HDDs are probably the single most prevalent component in any of my racks and actually have amazing track records given their use/quantities/run times/etc. If they work after being shipped, they're likely to work for a very, very long time assuming you don't move or touch them
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We still have a 14 bay, I think, FC shelf from Netapp with 450GB drives at 15K, box has 2 controllers, 2 GBPS FC each. We were amazed at the speed of a raid 10 out of that, it actually saturated the 2 GBPS FC line, ooo, the golden days.....
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If it helps anyone - I got a 12 TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (my German - Amazon.de affiliate link) for about $270.
The picture says "Pro", the description doesn't, but I got the Pro allright. Passed all the stress tests, and has been working fine for a few months now. Looks good enough for me to have just ordered a second one.
Amazon reviews say it's refurbished (and hence the low price), but it doesn't state that anywhere on the package - and it looks, sounds, and works OK (at least the one I got, we'll see about the second one).
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Refurbished can also mean it's a customer return. Someone who ordered and decided to returned it cause they didn't like it or didn't need it or other reason. The vendor will test it and sell it as refurbished.
Sometimes it's also the shucked drives from external hdd enclosures on sale or even extra stock they want to get rid of before the warranty is close to expiry.
Not much difference from the real deal so as long as it works for you, good enough.
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Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year!
Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
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Weren't those the drives part of a larger scam where old drives were sold as "new"?
Read about smth a couple weeks ago.
Was smth about manipulated FARM stats etc. Some mydealz user commented that the Power on Hours suddenly were way more when using
smartctl --log=farm /dev/[DRIVE] | grep "Power of Hours"Ah, here you go: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Hard-disk-fraud-Details-of-the-Seagate-investigation-10296444.html
More than 250 readers have now emailed us about their hard disks that were purchased as new but have already been used. Capacities of 4 to 16 TByte are affected, mostly drives from the Exos server series, and now more and more from the Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro NAS series. The fraud can be detected by software (such as smartmontools or Hard Disk Sentinel) and by querying the FARM values, and there are also some obvious signs on the housing and especially on the sticker.
Also
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/hdds/seagates-fraudulent-hdd-scandal-expands-ironwolf-pro-hard-drives-also-affected
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/hdds/german-seagate-customers-say-their-new-hard-drives-were-actually-used-resold-hdds-reportedly-used-for-tens-of-thousands-of-hours
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/103161/global-hardware-scam-brand-new-seagate-hard-drives-exposed-as-used-mining-equipment/index.html
And other sources
There are also YT videos how you can check your drives were affected
@bikegremlin bad luck. Maybe the seller will reimburse given it's a known issue?
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This one was brand new.
Judging by how it sounds and behaves, it looks like a hardware failure (not electronics).
I did keep it in a HDD external rack, and power it on for a few hours once per week.
Maybe it is better to keep a HDD inside a computer case with some active cooling - will try to do that in the future (and keap the external rack just for saving data when servicing computers).
Also, I will buy locally, so that I can use warranty in case of failures - even if it ends up being more expensive (I just ordered a 12 TB WD Ultrastar from a local shop and will see how it fares - this one seems to actually be cheaper in Serbia than Seagate IronWolf, Toshiba N300 or WD Red and Gold series - go figure).
EDIT:
Seagate as a company won't do anything. (they do let you register a HDD on their site and claim some coverage, but at least in this case they directed me to the seller and that's it).
Seller, from German Amazon, wants me to ship the HDD to his warehouse in Germany.
That is a logistics problem.
Also, and I realized that right after I got the seller's request, I had some unencrypted data on that drive (100% my fault, no excuse). So, I would rather lose the money than risk exposing my pigeon pics (client data is less critical). I do have spare backups, but I wasn't considering a drive failing suddenly before I can safely clean the data (again, 100% my stupidity). At this time, I plan to use it to show my son how a hard drive is built, and how the data is securely destroyed on a faulty hard drive.
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Ah, fair enough. In that case shipping it in won't really be worth it, I guess. Congrats on having a son btw! Didn't know you had one, so train them well in the arts of drives and bikes
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Yes - since a model listed under recommendations turns out to be a problematic (as discussed above). A fair note/warning.
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Sucks, always sad to hear about a crappy experience with a drive failing like that so soon
A bit of a tangent, but internally I kind of chuckle when we'll get someone asking why a HDD in a rented server has 30-50k Power On Hours (Ultrastar / HGST / Toshiba usually) and how that is far too many compared to their desktop WDC blue or whatever. I definitely trust certain brands/models significantly more than others, and that many hours on a 2.5m MTBF Enterprise HDD is like a Toyota with 35k miles on it. You finally know its good at that point. HDDs are probably the single most prevalent component in any of my racks and actually have amazing track records given their use/quantities/run times/etc. If they work after being shipped, they're likely to work for a very, very long time assuming you don't move or touch them
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