Looking for a stable YouTube alternative

bikegremlin

I've seen many platforms rise and fall.
Vimeo used to be fine, then they introduced high fees and very high limits on free tiers.

I'm looking for a free alternative to post my YouTube videos, as a sort of a backup in case YouTube has a problem (that would be in addition to offline backups, but I digress).

What would LESbians recommend?

A few of the platforms I've been looking into:
Dailymotion seems popular.
Rumble is advertising a lot but I'm not sure how long-term sustainable the platform is.

IMO, it all looks a lot like a half-baked solution compared to YouTube, but as a free alternative, it could be acceptable.

Almost forgot, if that's relevant: YouTube has strict policies (I'd call it censorship), and my videos are aligned with those (nothing controversial etc.). So, I would expect the other platforms to not have stricter (crazier) policies, and those should not be a problem.

vyas

Rumble seems fine. Or Bitchute or wait for BF and look up one of the deal aggregator sites for "Video Hosting". I got a couple of such deals that way- since it is backup to YT, even if one is gone, there is still the other.

Edit: Odysee is what I was also looking at when @lowendspiritxdax mentioned it below. Possible option

Chievo

Xvideos longlife to It
The bikeman enters in the scene and the woman IS Ready to repair his bike paying in .........advance

bikegremlin

@Chievo said:
Xvideos longlife to It
The bikeman enters in the scene and the woman IS Ready to repair his bike paying in .........advance

I fear they would ban me on that platform.
It's just way different standards:
All the videos involving mechanics on Xvideos end a lot more happily than mine.

lowendspiritxdax

https://help.odysee.tv/category-syncprogram/whatisyoutubesync/

Once heard of odysee being able to mirror your YouTube videos. Never used them however.

Chievo

@bikegremlin said:

@Chievo said:
Xvideos longlife to It
The bikeman enters in the scene and the woman IS Ready to repair his bike paying in .........advance

I fear they would ban me on that platform.
It's just way different standards:
All the videos involving mechanics on Xvideos end a lot more happily than mine.

Mmm if i am not wrong some time ago a math profesor gone viral because he was uploading some normal math content in Xvideos and he has tons of users following It ....Ready to make some bikegremlin BIG Strong enough marketing ???? Read their terms and conditions i mean if the math profesor would have done It why not the bikegremlin ?

bikegremlin

@lowendspiritxdax said:
https://help.odysee.tv/category-syncprogram/whatisyoutubesync/

Once heard of odysee being able to mirror your YouTube videos. Never used them however.

I gave it a go. From the time of testing:

Pros:
It is free.
It can automatically import YouTube videos.

Cons:
Quite slow & buggy.
Doesn't allow monetization for us in Serbia (don't like being discriminated).
Not sure about those other platforms' monetization - may be the same there too.

bikegremlin

@Chievo said:

@bikegremlin said:

@Chievo said:
Xvideos longlife to It
The bikeman enters in the scene and the woman IS Ready to repair his bike paying in .........advance

I fear they would ban me on that platform.
It's just way different standards:
All the videos involving mechanics on Xvideos end a lot more happily than mine.

Mmm if i am not wrong some time ago a math profesor gone viral because he was uploading some normal math content in Xvideos and he has tons of users following It ....Ready to make some bikegremlin BIG Strong enough marketing ???? Read their terms and conditions i mean if the math profesor would have done It why not the bikegremlin ?

"This is a standard 28-inch bicycle wheel. And this is what ten inches really looks like! Thank you for watching."

NameCrane

Rumble seems to be the clear #2 at the moment, and are quite well funded. They've been doing contracts and other exclusivity deals with big content creators. I'm also seeing more ads on videos/streams so it looks like their sales team is doing some work.

Odysee has also been around for years, but I find their UI to be super clunky.

bikegremlin

@NameCrane said:
Rumble seems to be the clear #2 at the moment, and are quite well funded. They've been doing contracts and other exclusivity deals with big content creators. I'm also seeing more ads on videos/streams so it looks like their sales team is doing some work.

Odysee has also been around for years, but I find their UI to be super clunky.

Same experience with Odysee.

Rumble:
Yup. I found out about the platform when they emailed me, suggesting I start uploading my videos there, alongside YouTube (their policy doesn't prohibit hosting videos on both platforms). And I could exchange back-and-forth emails with a real, live person there (as opposed to YouTube for example).

Chievo

https://nypost.com/2021/11/03/taiwanese-math-teacher-uses-pornhub-to-reach-more-students/

Chievo

@bikegremlin said:

@Chievo said:

@bikegremlin said:

@Chievo said:
Xvideos longlife to It
The bikeman enters in the scene and the woman IS Ready to repair his bike paying in .........advance

I fear they would ban me on that platform.
It's just way different standards:
All the videos involving mechanics on Xvideos end a lot more happily than mine.

Mmm if i am not wrong some time ago a math profesor gone viral because he was uploading some normal math content in Xvideos and he has tons of users following It ....Ready to make some bikegremlin BIG Strong enough marketing ???? Read their terms and conditions i mean if the math profesor would have done It why not the bikegremlin ?

"This is a standard 28-inch bicycle wheel. And this is what ten inches really looks like! Thank you for watching."

28inch damn ......That are even bigger than the Big black Strong disksc that are uploaded there

Chievo

@bikegremlin said:

@lowendspiritxdax said:
https://help.odysee.tv/category-syncprogram/whatisyoutubesync/

Once heard of odysee being able to mirror your YouTube videos. Never used them however.

I gave it a go. From the time of testing:

Pros:
It is free.
It can automatically import YouTube videos.

Cons:
Quite slow & buggy.
Doesn't allow monetization for us in Serbia (don't like being discriminated).
Not sure about those other platforms' monetization - may be the same there too.

Usuallt they are made for US people or so. So some countries really do not care about them thinking brain unfortunately

Amadex

PeerTube

https://joinpeertube.org/

havoc

Floatplane?

Unsure whether it costs to post there.

bikegremlin

@havoc said:
Floatplane?

Unsure whether it costs to post there.

Floatplane requires viewer to pay subscription.
I don't like that.
Everything I make and publish should be available for free.
Patreon donations are more than welcome, but not required in order to see any article or video. I still remember the times when one dollar was an unachievable amount of wealth (or price to pay) for me.

Edit:
Apparently, it doesn't cost to host videos there, but I'd prefer to find a free to watch alternative.

vyas

Use substack for every fourth video to build up following and direct then to p0rnhub Rumble

Chievo

Vbox 7 bulgarian YouTube. I Guess you are looking for a nice options but well It IS balkan platform. I Guess they are not paying nothing not sure if IS free to upload there. Just asking check It if you are interested

havoc

@bikegremlin said: Floatplane requires viewer to pay subscription.
I don't like that.

Thing is serving vast amounts of video b/w ain't cheap. So your options are either the google model (ads, tracking) or paid model.

There is no "other"...unless you count ones that are still bootstrapping or using venture cap money to subsidize it temporarily. Eventually those too will need to pick option 1 or option 2.

Lately I've much preferred to support places that are upfront about what the plan is to reach financial viability. Been burned too many times by "option" 3 and dislike the google model

bikegremlin

@Chievo said:
Vbox 7 bulgarian YouTube. I Guess you are looking for a nice options but well It IS balkan platform. I Guess they are not paying nothing not sure if IS free to upload there. Just asking check It if you are interested

Rumble looks like the best (or the least bad) alternative for now.

Vbox7 looks like the Serbian YouTube.

Fritz

@Chievo said:
Xvideos longlife to It
The bikeman enters in the scene and the woman IS Ready to repair his bike paying in .........advance

No man, choose RedTube instead.

Chievo

@bikegremlin said:

@Chievo said:
Vbox 7 bulgarian YouTube. I Guess you are looking for a nice options but well It IS balkan platform. I Guess they are not paying nothing not sure if IS free to upload there. Just asking check It if you are interested

Rumble looks like the best (or the least bad) alternative for now.

Vbox7 looks like the Serbian YouTube.

You smell the pleskavica IS not It??????

bikegremlin

@havoc said:

@bikegremlin said: Floatplane requires viewer to pay subscription.
I don't like that.

Thing is serving vast amounts of video b/w ain't cheap. So your options are either the google model (ads, tracking) or paid model.

There is no "other"...unless you count ones that are still bootstrapping or using venture cap money to subsidize it temporarily. Eventually those too will need to pick option 1 or option 2.

Lately I've much preferred to support places that are upfront about what the plan is to reach financial viability. Been burned too many times by "option" 3 and dislike the google model

I understand.
From a low-income-friendly perspective, the Google model is better.

I don't mind posting on a third, paid only platform though. Not that any of such platforms seem interested into non-commercial stuff as far as I can see. Applied to the Floatplane (doesn't cost ), and previously uploaded a few videos to Rumble (works OK for now).

sanvit

BunnyStream with Volume Zones, or just cloudflare R2 with custom player?

lowendspiritxdax

@sanvit said:
BunnyStream with Volume Zones, or just cloudflare R2 with custom player?

That cost money though. And not a low amount, if you accumulate a lot of videos over the years.

BulletServers

twitch maybe ?

davide

TikTok is good too. Upload videos to TikTok if you don't want me to ever see them.

wankel

I'd recommend Peertube as well. Run it self hosted and let it sync your Youtube channel; you can replicate over multiple instances or have others federate your videos.

AnthonyT

Something else, I don't know if your against self hosting, but I have used https://mediacms.io/ in the past for self hosting, and it is pretty powerful, much more so if your not going to encode your videos in anything outside of the uploaded "default". I say powerful as I ran this off of a 2 GB Linode for over a year without a lick of problems.
The only "problems" I ran into it was it is not very easy to theme, and can't really mod it to well to say add ads/banners such if you want to make some monies.
Thanks

legendary

Well, beeg.com is my daily driver. But for purely pop videos, better than YT is not yet invented.

webhostingservers

dailymotion should be fine as a backup for YT

bikegremlin

@AnthonyT said:
Something else, I don't know if your against self hosting, but I have used https://mediacms.io/ in the past for self hosting, and it is pretty powerful, much more so if your not going to encode your videos in anything outside of the uploaded "default". I say powerful as I ran this off of a 2 GB Linode for over a year without a lick of problems.
The only "problems" I ran into it was it is not very easy to theme, and can't really mod it to well to say add ads/banners such if you want to make some monies.
Thanks

Self hosting costs. I do stuff for free, that is OK, but I won’t pay for sharing stuff for free. It feels like robbing my family.

Encoders

asciinema.org if you're "into that kind of thing"

yoursunny

Mentally strong people self-host their videos.
https://ndnts-video.ndn.today
Source code link is at the bottom.

Yes it's the same code as the push-ups site.

rm_

Set up PeerTube on your own dedi and self-host videos: https://joinpeertube.org/

@bikegremlin said: Self hosting costs. I do stuff for free, that is OK, but I won’t pay for sharing stuff for free.

You can host quite a lot even on a KS-1 for 5 EUR/month, considering those tend to get 2TB disks nowadays.

AuroraZero

@rm_ said: You can host quite a lot even on a KS-1 for 5 EUR/month

They still have these? ID required? I could us one.

bikegremlin

Rumble it is (for now at least):

https://rumble.com/c/BikeGremlin

Ympker

@bikegremlin said:
Rumble it is (for now at least):

https://rumble.com/c/BikeGremlin

Actually super intersting to hear you opted for rumble. I am writing my final thesis at university about the spread of fake news in the light of covid and will analyse a specific movie that was only published on Rumble and Odyssee, but censored/deleted from the popular/common platforms due to spread of disinformation. Right now I don't think this will fit in the scope of the thesis, but I may also analyse the video platforms it's been posted to. Never really heard of the two platforms before, too.

Amadex

pornhub

bikegremlin

@Ympker said:

@bikegremlin said:
Rumble it is (for now at least):

https://rumble.com/c/BikeGremlin

Actually super intersting to hear you opted for rumble. I am writing my final thesis at university about the spread of fake news in the light of covid and will analyse a specific movie that was only published on Rumble and Odyssee, but censored/deleted from the popular/common platforms due to spread of disinformation. Right now I don't think this will fit in the scope of the thesis, but I may also analyse the video platforms it's been posted to. Never really heard of the two platforms before, too.

I was activelly looking for alternatives.
Hadn't known about either of those two before googling.

They seem to be less strict in terms of censorship - compared to YouTube; but they are also a lot smaller (way less than 1% of users compared to YouTube). If they grow, I expect they will become like YouTube - gradually and innevitably.

Edit:
YouTube is technically supperior to either of the two. Way ahead.

MannDude

Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, YouTube really is king in this market.

Until there is an alternative platform where I can learn how to fix an old model and relatively obscure vehicle, find live concerts and rare tracks and recordings from bands, find general informational videos (been watching National Geographic style travel videos lately), etc then they all eventually sort of fail.

Too many just end up being: obscure right wing commentary videos (and I lean right, find them annoying), crypto and investment scam bullshit, and then just a few obscure things here and there.

bikegremlin

@MannDude said:
Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, YouTube really is king in this market.

Until there is an alternative platform where I can learn how to fix an old model and relatively obscure vehicle, find live concerts and rare tracks and recordings from bands, find general informational videos (been watching National Geographic style travel videos lately), etc then they all eventually sort of fail.

Too many just end up being: obscure right wing commentary videos (and I lean right, find them annoying), crypto and investment scam bullshit, and then just a few obscure things here and there.

I would also add that technical quality of the alternatives is lacking: upload speed, streaming bandwidth, mobile app performance, desktop experience, search (though YouTube itself is not very good at that last thing either, but alternatives are worse) etc...

One of the few upsides of Rumble is that, for now at least, I can communicate with a live, real, reasonable human being from the platform. With YouTube - it is dystopian. I had the YouTube system flag one of my videos (my stuff is technical, non-controversial in any way... unless you are a huge SRAM fan LOL), and I could file a complaint for a review, but in case the review does not accept my complaint, there was some harsh penalty (not sure if it was "just" demonetization or a complete channel deletion, something crazily severe in any case).

Dazzle

Bilibili.tv maybe

hornet

@legendary said: Well, beeg.com is my daily driver. But for purely pop videos, better than YT is not yet invented.

Hah! Did not expect pornography. Lesson learned.

cold

YouPorn ?

AuroraZero

@cold said:
YouPorn ?

Xhamster