Big updates, new server and 20% off for the first 12 months: Cloud VPS starting at just €2.44/month!

c1vhosting

Dear LES community,

We are excited to share some important updates with you.

Introducing Our New Cloud Linux VPS SSD Plans

We are proud to announce four new low-cost VPS SSD plans: Venice, Naples, Piacenza, and Verona. These plans are powered by our latest SSD node, POM6, the newest addition to our data center, featuring Dual Intel Xeon Gold 6152 CPUs.

Explore the new plans

I am pleased to reserve for the LES community a special price on the order of any VPS of this new category: by selecting the monthly billing cycle, for the first 12 monthly renewals you can take advantage of the 20% discount.
Please use the promo code CQ8YYXCE5Z at the checkout.

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Infrastructure Upgrade to IPv6-Only

In our commitment to innovation, we are updating all our internal infrastructure to be IPv6-only. This upgrade will enhance performance and future-proof our services.

Website Enhancements

We've revamped our website to make it faster and more responsive, providing you with a smoother browsing experience.

Expanded Payment Options

• Credit and Debit Cards: You can now securely use your credit or debit cards on our website.
• Updated PayPal Integration: We've enhanced our PayPal payment method with the latest integration, allowing you to authorize payments safely with a single login.

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Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to serving you with these exciting new features.

cmeerw

What's the expected performance and uptime on these plans? Are there minimum performance/uptime guarantees?

c1vhosting

@cmeerw said:
What's the expected performance and uptime on these plans?
Are there minimum performance/uptime guarantees?

Hello,
Due to the low cost, to make the service accessible to all of you, we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance, nor uptime guarantees, except as described in the terms of our contract.

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

Due to the low cost, to make the service accessible to all of you, we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance, nor uptime guarantees, except as described in the terms of our contract.

Thank you.

Please explain this on the plan page written in BIG font

Unlock exceptional performance with our RAID 10 SSD servers

What exactly do you mean by "exceptional performance" ?

bliss

@c1vhosting said: Infrastructure Upgrade to IPv6-Only

I'm sorry but did you mean 'IPv6-ready'? "Only" means no IPv4 is provided which is not in your case.

Anyway, nice to see your new offer.

c1vhosting

@bliss said:

@c1vhosting said: Infrastructure Upgrade to IPv6-Only

I'm sorry but did you mean 'IPv6-ready'? "Only" means no IPv4 is provided which is not in your case.

Sorry, I meant internal infrastructure. This mean we plan to use only IPv6 addresses on all our servers for internal and external communications.

Anyway, nice to see your new offer.

Thanks!

c1vhosting

@dev_vps said:
What exactly do you mean by "exceptional performance" ?

I saw now you edited your message.
Performance:price

cybertech

what data center? garage?

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
What exactly do you mean by "exceptional performance" ?

I saw now you edited your message.
Performance:price

If that is the criteria then your offer is lukewarm at best.

I will avoid such high performance vps offer.

dev_vps

And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

c1vhosting

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

davide

You gotta make a Cervia plan.

dev_vps

Expected GB6 score from 2x vCPU Xeon Gold 6152

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
 ---------------------------------
 Test            | Value
                 |
 Single Core     |  899
 Multi Core      | 1628
 Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7636659

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

Well I am interested in VPS offers where average 30-35% cpu utilization is permitted.

Calypso

@cybertech said:
what data center? garage?

Ofcourse. He put on a new shelve so he has space for a new minitower.

dev_vps

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

Well I am interested in VPS offers where average 30-35% cpu utilization is permitted.

@c1vhosting
Do you think your offer allows that?
I don’t think so.

c1vhosting

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

Well I am interested in VPS offers where average 30-35% cpu utilization is permitted.

@c1vhosting
Do you think your offer allows that?
I don’t think so.

Hello,
what do you think of Hetzner policies?

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

Well I am interested in VPS offers where average 30-35% cpu utilization is permitted.

@c1vhosting
Do you think your offer allows that?
I don’t think so.

Hello,
what do you think of Hetzner policies?

I prefer premium providers who allow average 35-40% utilization. On the other hand there are some low end providers who I totally avoid … especially those who have low performance advisory and data center next to a garage.

For example — NetCup 0.92 / month performance is much better.

c1vhosting

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

Well I am interested in VPS offers where average 30-35% cpu utilization is permitted.

@c1vhosting
Do you think your offer allows that?
I don’t think so.

Hello,
what do you think of Hetzner policies?

I prefer premium providers who allow average 35-40% utilization. On the other hand there are some low end providers who I totally avoid … especially those who have low performance advisory and data center next to a garage.

For example — NetCup 0.92 / month performance is much better.

Thanks for your feedback.

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said:
And if you want to know the reason.
Here it is

@c1vhosting said:
we cannot guarantee a minimum level of performance …

This has been said several times already.

Although I see that you keep having a continued interest in our solutions

Well I am interested in VPS offers where average 30-35% cpu utilization is permitted.

@c1vhosting
Do you think your offer allows that?
I don’t think so.

Hello,
what do you think of Hetzner policies?

I prefer premium providers who allow average 35-40% utilization. On the other hand there are some low end providers who I totally avoid … especially those who have low performance advisory and data center next to a garage.

For example — NetCup 0.92 / month performance is much better.

Thanks for your feedback.

And since you asked about Hetzner
— CPX 33% allowance is perfect. It does provide decent guaranteed performance within budget unlike many low end providers who do not come even with 15% cpu allocation.

What do you think about that?

terrorgen

you are not Hetzner

c1vhosting

@dev_vps said: guaranteed

Ehm, read again the text :'(
Shared tariffs are suitable for application with low to medium CPU requirements that do not require sustained or guaranteed performance.

dev_vps

@terrorgen said:

you are not Hetzner

c1v control panel has template only with two choices for OS auto install. That is just one factor good enough to qualify as low end of low end providers.

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

@dev_vps said: guaranteed

Ehm, read again the text :'(
Shared tariffs are suitable for application with low to medium CPU requirements that do not require sustained or guaranteed performance.

There must a good reason why I am a Hetzner customer for 5+ years.

And you are not even anywhere close to 10% of Hetzner, in my experience dealing with c1v vps.

cybertech

@dev_vps said:

@terrorgen said:

you are not Hetzner

c1v control panel has template only with two choices for OS auto install. That is just one factor good enough to qualify as low end of low end providers.

please do not lump c1v together with low end providers. i have never seen other providers even the scammy ones with only 2 OS templates and rarely any that limits CPU to 20% of a thread, masked as "AI", hosted in a "TIER III design datacenter".

garage is a garage, at least iHostART and the other i forgot his name were truthful about it.

hence I would take his "performance advisory" extremely seriously and apply caveat emptor on this one.

c1vhosting

@cybertech said:

@dev_vps said:

@terrorgen said:

you are not Hetzner

c1v control panel has template only with two choices for OS auto install. That is just one factor good enough to qualify as low end of low end providers.

please do not lump c1v together with low end providers. i have never seen other providers even the scammy ones with only 2 OS templates and rarely any that limits CPU to 20% of a thread, masked as "AI", hosted in a "TIER III design datacenter".

garage is a garage, at least iHostART and the other i forgot his name were truthful about it.

hence I would take his "performance advisory" extremely seriously and apply caveat emptor on this one.

I take all your comments into consideration to help me improve.

cybertech

@c1vhosting said:

@cybertech said:

@dev_vps said:

@terrorgen said:

you are not Hetzner

c1v control panel has template only with two choices for OS auto install. That is just one factor good enough to qualify as low end of low end providers.

please do not lump c1v together with low end providers. i have never seen other providers even the scammy ones with only 2 OS templates and rarely any that limits CPU to 20% of a thread, masked as "AI", hosted in a "TIER III design datacenter".

garage is a garage, at least iHostART and the other i forgot his name were truthful about it.

hence I would take his "performance advisory" extremely seriously and apply caveat emptor on this one.

I take all your comments into consideration to help me improve.

your reply is noted.

cold

MOARRRRRRRR

dev_vps

@cybertech said:

@dev_vps said:

@terrorgen said:

you are not Hetzner

c1v control panel has template only with two choices for OS auto install. That is just one factor good enough to qualify as low end of low end providers.

please do not lump c1v together with low end providers. i have never seen other providers even the scammy ones with only 2 OS templates and rarely any that limits CPU to 20% of a thread, masked as "AI", hosted in a "TIER III design datacenter".

garage is a garage, at least iHostART and the other i forgot his name were truthful about it.

hence I would take his "performance advisory" extremely seriously and apply caveat emptor on this one.

Well, having more OS templates is pretty easy and having just two OS templates could be viewed as "non seriousness" on the part of the provider by many customers.

email based ticketing system is another one.

Having a data center in a garage is ok, but not being straight forward about the data center is certainly not ok.

foxone

Looks like some pictures of the datacenter were dropped in an article an interview with C1V owner "Luca Marini". Article is in italian:

"From dream to reality, the story of Luca Marini and C1VHosting"
https://www.europeanaffairs.it/blog/2024/09/02/dal-sogno-alla-realta-la-storia-di-luca-marini-e-c1v-hosting/ (Archive: https://archive.is/Sh5F9 )

There is a very grainy picture of some servers on a rack (and a small table?)

And what looks like Luca mounting an axial fan to an exhaust pipe (I really do not understand why you would put an exhaust fan in a DC especially if you have AC, my makeshift colocation garage is completely air tight because I really don't want oxygen actively feeding an eventual fire or dust getting into the server fans)

Looking at the photos on the Google Maps entry, the composition of the rack and the mood of the DC checks out.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wrGunQoNiwGQ7W3P8

They are selling a garage in the same place with the exact tiles, too: https://www.immobiliare.it/annunci/96287112/

davide

Why Pom1 and Pom2 are on a fruit crate.

c1vhosting

@foxone said:
Looks like some pictures of the datacenter were dropped in an article an interview with C1V owner "Luca Marini". Article is in italian:

"From dream to reality, the story of Luca Marini and C1VHosting"
https://www.europeanaffairs.it/blog/2024/09/02/dal-sogno-alla-realta-la-storia-di-luca-marini-e-c1v-hosting/ (Archive: https://archive.is/Sh5F9 )

There is a very grainy picture of some servers on a rack (and a small table?)

And what looks like Luca mounting an axial fan to an exhaust pipe (I really do not understand why you would put an exhaust fan in a DC especially if you have AC, my makeshift colocation garage is completely air tight because I really don't want oxygen actively feeding an eventual fire or dust getting into the server fans)

Looking at the photos on the Google Maps entry, the composition of the rack and the mood of the DC checks out.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wrGunQoNiwGQ7W3P8

They are selling a garage in the same place with the exact tiles, too: https://www.immobiliare.it/annunci/96287112/

Thanks for sharing it!
I like your accurate description

dev_vps

@c1vhosting said:

@cybertech said:

@dev_vps said:

@terrorgen said:

you are not Hetzner

c1v control panel has template only with two choices for OS auto install. That is just one factor good enough to qualify as low end of low end providers.

please do not lump c1v together with low end providers. i have never seen other providers even the scammy ones with only 2 OS templates and rarely any that limits CPU to 20% of a thread, masked as "AI", hosted in a "TIER III design datacenter".

garage is a garage, at least iHostART and the other i forgot his name were truthful about it.

hence I would take his "performance advisory" extremely seriously and apply caveat emptor on this one.

I take all your comments into consideration to help me improve.

Taking your comments at face value, here is a suggestion if you may want to consider.

Looks at YABS benchmarks (there is a YABS thread) from other providers, this will give an idea how much improvement is needed.

GB5 score for c1v VPS

Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value
                |
Single Core     | 228
Multi Core      | 441
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22846600

root

@foxone said:
Looks like some pictures of the datacenter were dropped in an article an interview with C1V owner "Luca Marini". Article is in italian:

"From dream to reality, the story of Luca Marini and C1VHosting"
https://www.europeanaffairs.it/blog/2024/09/02/dal-sogno-alla-realta-la-storia-di-luca-marini-e-c1v-hosting/ (Archive: https://archive.is/Sh5F9 )

There is a very grainy picture of some servers on a rack (and a small table?)

And what looks like Luca mounting an axial fan to an exhaust pipe (I really do not understand why you would put an exhaust fan in a DC especially if you have AC, my makeshift colocation garage is completely air tight because I really don't want oxygen actively feeding an eventual fire or dust getting into the server fans)

Looking at the photos on the Google Maps entry, the composition of the rack and the mood of the DC checks out.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wrGunQoNiwGQ7W3P8

They are selling a garage in the same place with the exact tiles, too: https://www.immobiliare.it/annunci/96287112/

It seems this guy has some passion. I have to admit that I like it. I don't like his overselling, but then again I like his dedication.

Keep up the good work @c1vhosting and please share more pictures for us, the buyers.

DP

@davide said:
Why Pom1 and Pom2 are on a fruit crate.

Pom is short for Pomegranate, or Pomelo.

AuroraZero

I am tempted to buy one and mess with their "AI" cause I am bored

terrorgen

@AuroraZero said:
I am tempted to buy one and mess with their "AI" cause I am bored

Do IT!

AuroraZero

@terrorgen said:

@AuroraZero said:
I am tempted to buy one and mess with their "AI" cause I am bored

Do IT!

Dealing with Dell and their proprietary case fan crap at the moment

Calypso

@TheDP said:

@davide said:
Why Pom1 and Pom2 are on a fruit crate.

Pom is short for Pomegranate, or Pomelo.

O. I thought it was because there was a small handwritten label on the minitower desktop PCs with Porn1 and Porn2, but there was not enough space between the r and n characters, so in the end the names were misunderstood...

TeYroX

Where yabs of this amazing high performance servers?

Calypso

@TeYroX said:
Where yabs of this amazing high performance servers?

Be patient. It takes a while and several attempts to produce yabs on a C1V vps...

dev_vps

@TeYroX said:
Where yabs of this amazing high performance servers?

Be ready for GB6 single core of below 350. After all it is the AI magic.

@c1vhosting -- feel free to correct me if I have stated any incorrect info.

Freek

@AuroraZero said:
I am tempted to buy one and mess with their "AI" cause I am bored

You can have mine for free if C1V allows service transfers. I'm done playing with it.

GreatDan

Can I use ffmpeg on it?

root

@GreatDan said:
Can I use ffmpeg on it?

It takes 10 seconds to start running a "nano" command, and you want to run that?

In my opinion C1V is not suitable for you, because it is very slow; it is way too oversold.

Freek

@root said:
In my opinion C1V is not suitable for you, because it is very slow; it is way too oversold.

It's not oversold. It's AI.

root

@Freek said:

@root said:
In my opinion C1V is not suitable for you, because it is very slow; it is way too oversold.

It's not oversold. It's AI.

What AI? This is not some multi-billion dollar investment in AI from some big corporation. This is just overselling to keep costs low.

This idea of overselling like crazy might be great at start to attract customers on cheap prices, but too many customers like this can also tarnish the brand with bad reviews, therefore better services at higher costs will be needed once the brand is settled in publicity.

c1vhosting

@TeYroX said:
Where yabs of this amazing high performance servers?

NAPLES:

root@it-pom-2uhv83v:~# curl -sL yabs.sh | bash
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
#              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
#                     v2024-06-09                    #
# https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #

Mon Sep 30 15:10:26 UTC 2024

Basic System Information:
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Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 3 minutes
Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6152 CPU @ 2.10GHz
CPU cores  : 2 @ 2095.076 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM        : 3.7 GiB
Swap       : 0.0 KiB
Disk       : 58.1 GiB
Distro     : Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS
Kernel     : 5.4.0-164-generic
VM Type    : KVM
IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online

IPv6 Network Information:
---------------------------------
ISP        : Cinzia Tocci trading as C1V
ASN        : AS212271 Cinzia Tocci trading as C1V
Host       : C1V Hosting
Location   : Milan, Lombardy (25)
Country    : Italy

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/sda1):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 41.25 MB/s   (10.3k) | 257.78 MB/s   (4.0k)
Write      | 41.33 MB/s   (10.3k) | 259.13 MB/s   (4.0k)
Total      | 82.58 MB/s   (20.6k) | 516.92 MB/s   (8.0k)
           |                      |
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 246.01 MB/s    (480) | 242.94 MB/s    (237)
Write      | 259.08 MB/s    (506) | 259.12 MB/s    (253)
Total      | 505.09 MB/s    (986) | 502.07 MB/s    (490)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 488 Mbits/sec   | 43.3 Mbits/sec  | 33.0 ms
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 618 Mbits/sec   | 804 Mbits/sec   | 31.7 ms
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 133 Mbits/sec   | 9.44 Mbits/sec  | --
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 344 Mbits/sec   | 15.0 Mbits/sec  | 290 ms
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 162 Mbits/sec   | 4.72 Mbits/sec  | 157 ms
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 259 Mbits/sec   | 16.5 Mbits/sec  | 142 ms
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 255 Mbits/sec   | 778 Mbits/sec   | 227 ms

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | busy            | 956 Mbits/sec   | 32.9 ms
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 670 Mbits/sec   | 952 Mbits/sec   | 31.7 ms
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 225 Mbits/sec   | 917 Mbits/sec   | 128 ms
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 240 Mbits/sec   | 601 Mbits/sec   | --
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 352 Mbits/sec   | 867 Mbits/sec   | 157 ms
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 393 Mbits/sec   | 918 Mbits/sec   | --
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 216 Mbits/sec   | 732 Mbits/sec   | 227 ms

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value
                |
Single Core     | 1120
Multi Core      | 2035
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8060770

YABS completed in 17 min 14 sec

dev_vps

Disk IOPS is pretty low .... is it because of low performance advisory, @c1vhosting ?

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/sda1):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 41.25 MB/s   (10.3k) | 257.78 MB/s   (4.0k)
Write      | 41.33 MB/s   (10.3k) | 259.13 MB/s   (4.0k)
Total      | 82.58 MB/s   (20.6k) | 516.92 MB/s   (8.0k)
           |                      |
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 246.01 MB/s    (480) | 242.94 MB/s    (237)
Write      | 259.08 MB/s    (506) | 259.12 MB/s    (253)
Total      | 505.09 MB/s    (986) | 502.07 MB/s    (490)

GB score can vary a lot, if past history is any indication.

Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value
                |
Single Core     | 228
Multi Core      | 441
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22846600

Calypso

@Freek said:

@root said:

It's not oversold. It's AI.

What AI? This is not some multi-billion dollar investment in AI from some big corporation. This is just overselling to keep costs low.

It's as much AI as it is sarcasm.

[And AI can also mean Always Interrupted]

root

@Calypso said:

@Freek said:

@root said:

It's not oversold. It's AI.

What AI? This is not some multi-billion dollar investment in AI from some big corporation. This is just overselling to keep costs low.

It's as much AI as it is sarcasm.

[And AI can also mean Always Interrupted]

People play with words. in an era of AI race suckers believe such info when using a search engine, while not reading the full text. We therefore increase the provider's sales and make things even more oversold (worse).