1984: Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention

bikegremlin · June 17

A French court has ordered Google, Cloudflare, and Cisco to poison their DNS resolvers to prevent circumvention of blocking measures, targeting around 117 pirate sports streaming domains. The move is another anti-piracy escalation for broadcaster Canal+, which also has permission to completely deindex the sites from search engine results.

https://torrentfreak.com/google-cloudflare-cisco-will-poison-dns-to-stop-piracy-block-circumvention-240613/

Joseph · June 17

What is the down-side to this?

bikegremlin · June 17

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

Just corporations deciding what we can and can't find on the Internet. I'm sure it has some pros as well - if one child is saved...

mikewazar · June 17

They can suck my dick. ControlD + NextDNS supremacy

Otus9051 · June 17

otusdns soon

bikegremlin · June 17

@mikewazar said:
They can suck my dick. ControlD + NextDNS supremacy

That is not important. Most folks will rely on the "standard" stuff (their ISP's DNS, or maybe Google or Cloudflare).
Same goes for the Google search results.

So it is blocked for practically all practical purposes.

treesmokah · June 17

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

You will own nothing and be happy.
You vill eat ze bugs too.

But seriously, if you don't see a problem with handing so much power to random corporations(that don't and will never act in your best interest), you have to like being a slave. Today its piracy, tomorrow its your favorite politically-incorrect blog. Nobody, not even the Government should control what is allowed on the Internet, and these popular DNS resolvers are how 99% of the world does domain resolution.
DNS resolvers should be as neutral as possible, they don't host any content and In my opinion these court orders are bullshit, the fact this is allowed to "fly" proves how courts are corrupt and can be bought by DMCA mafia.
France, Germany and Italy - the most corrupt European countries, where freedom is illegal.

cmeerw · June 17

@bikegremlin said:

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

Just corporations deciding what we can and can't find on the Internet. I'm sure it has some pros as well - if one child is saved...

But it says "A French court has ordered ...", so what am I missing? You don't like the laws or you don't like the court's decision?

Joseph · June 17

Are these DNS blocking only implemented for French Internet users by these DNS companies or do they implement the blocking worldwide?

mikewazar · June 17

@Joseph said:
Are these DNS blocking only implemented for French Internet users by these DNS companies or do they implement the blocking worldwide?

Australia has been doing this shit for years. It'll probably be regional where ordered by judge.

ahnlak · June 17

@treesmokah said:

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

You will own nothing and be happy.
You vill eat ze bugs too.

But seriously, if you don't see a problem with handing so much power to random corporations[...]

Which this story has nothing to do with. It's not something the evil mega-corps are deciding to do, it's something imposed by government.

bikegremlin · June 17

@ahnlak said:

@treesmokah said:

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

You will own nothing and be happy.
You vill eat ze bugs too.

But seriously, if you don't see a problem with handing so much power to random corporations[...]

Which this story has nothing to do with. It's not something the evil mega-corps are deciding to do, it's something imposed by government.

Yeah... right.

ahnlak · June 17

@bikegremlin said:

@ahnlak said:

@treesmokah said:

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

You will own nothing and be happy.
You vill eat ze bugs too.

But seriously, if you don't see a problem with handing so much power to random corporations[...]

Which this story has nothing to do with. It's not something the evil mega-corps are deciding to do, it's something imposed by government.

Yeah... right.

But... if Google and friends wanted to do it, why would a French court waste the time ordering them to do it? I mean you don't see court orders telling McD's to sell fries.

Ympker · June 17

Chat Scanning/Control is also still on the table: https://stopscanningme.eu/en/

_MS_ · June 17

"But, think of the children!"

terrorgen · June 17

well... at least they know what to DNS-block
unlike certain (ahem) countries... you have to guess. No prizes won if you guessed right but heavy fines (and lost favours) if you don't.

bikegremlin · June 17

MS said:
"But, think of the children!"

Thorough... LOL

https://blog.bikegremlin.com/1308/logical-fallacies/

treesmokah · June 19

@cmeerw said:

@bikegremlin said:

@Joseph said:
What is the down-side to this?

Just corporations deciding what we can and can't find on the Internet. I'm sure it has some pros as well - if one child is saved...

But it says "A French court has ordered ...", so what am I missing? You don't like the laws or you don't like the court's decision?

At the request of multi-billion streaming gigant Canal+
With such power and money, surely "Govt" things are a bit easier

Of course its just a conspiracy theory, I would never call French Government corrupt. (I would)
Good thing their Justice Minister is getting some Justice served https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/world/europe/france-justice-minister-corruption-trial.html but I'm sure a few shekels can fix it.

treesmokah · June 30

OpenDNS stopped providing service in France because of this very lawsuit. French people would have to do something about it, but knowing France, all they are known for is surrendering. If you thought EU has any Internet neutrality laws, you were dead wrong. Portugal isn't any better, but its common knowledge they are insanely corrupt and you can "buy" many things there. They used to be popular for hosting such content exactly because they are so corrupt, but DMCA Mafia offers more money, so they rule now.
https://torrentfreak.com/opendns-suspends-service-in-france-due-to-canal-piracy-blocking-order-240629/

While we are on topic of DMCA Mafia, Non-Governmental organization ACE that has insane amount of power in EU, just replaced their head with a literal FBI glowie. They are already able to bypass the courts and seize pretty much any TLD, including .ru, I wonder what they will be able to do now. More fucking with IP-Transit and peer neutrality is most certainly in their plans.
https://torrentfreak.com/top-fbi-official-now-heads-the-worlds-leading-anti-piracy-coalition-240628/

DMCA Mafia actions primarily hurt normal Internet users, and not pirates. They have purchased so much Governmental power, they can essentially do whatever the fuck they want with how the Internet functions. Such actions only radicalize people, who now think its morally fine in most cases to pirate content. All they did was ruin their "reputation" in eyes of people who care about the Internet, nobody is happy about their actions.

You already have DPI-based country-wide "firewall" in Italy, not much different from CCP's "Great Firewall". Is that the freedom first-world countries offer? Literally on pair with a communist dictatorship state. People let corporations take over their entire Internet connectivity and abuse this power to moderate content that isn't illegal locally in any shape or form.
https://torrentfreak.com/fake-news-propaganda-props-up-piracy-shield-errors-dismissed-as-lies-240225/
https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-shield-insane-iptv-blocking-system-revealed-and-easily-located-230819/

They are also the same people who "fact-check" and are responsible for the narrative coming from Media.
This is not what freedom means, anywhere. Corruption have taken control over the entire Internet in Italy, I wonder who is next? Germany is close, Portugal most certainly will implement something like this soon, France is probably already doing it.

EU Government is arguably mostly left-leaning nowadays, where the fuck are oldschool lefties that wanted to abolish copyright? Where are people behind Copyleft? So I guess we get left-leaning policies for everything that doesn't involve money, because then it would hurt someone else than just a citizen, a multi-billion streaming and Media gigants. They whine about hating capitalism, yet they let capitalistic and unregulated(not Government) corporations rule what flies on the Internet and what doesn't. And its not a national issue anymore, organization like ACE lobby in pretty much every country, they have global power like some Government of the entire world.

Shit like that genuinely makes me mad, not only do you have to follow up with local laws, but also boundaries set by the "Internet overlords" that have power over Government in censorship actions.

bikegremlin · June 30

@treesmokah said:
OpenDNS stopped providing service in France because of this very lawsuit. French people would have to do something about it, but knowing France, all they are known for is surrendering. If you thought EU has any Internet neutrality laws, you were dead wrong. Portugal isn't any better, but its common knowledge they are insanely corrupt and you can "buy" many things there. They used to be popular for hosting such content exactly because they are so corrupt, but DMCA Mafia offers more money, so they rule now.
https://torrentfreak.com/opendns-suspends-service-in-france-due-to-canal-piracy-blocking-order-240629/

While we are on topic of DMCA Mafia, Non-Governmental organization ACE that has insane amount of power in EU, just replaced their head with a literal FBI glowie. They are already able to bypass the courts and seize pretty much any TLD, including .ru, I wonder what they will be able to do now. More fucking with IP-Transit and peer neutrality is most certainly in their plans.
https://torrentfreak.com/top-fbi-official-now-heads-the-worlds-leading-anti-piracy-coalition-240628/

DMCA Mafia actions primarily hurt normal Internet users, and not pirates. They have purchased so much Governmental power, they can essentially do whatever the fuck they want with how the Internet functions. Such actions only radicalize people, who now think its morally fine in most cases to pirate content. All they did was ruin their "reputation" in eyes of people who care about the Internet, nobody is happy about their actions.

You already have DPI-based country-wide "firewall" in Italy, not much different from CCP's "Great Firewall". Is that the freedom first-world countries offer? Literally on pair with a communist dictatorship state. People let corporations take over their entire Internet connectivity and abuse this power to moderate content that isn't illegal locally in any shape or form.
https://torrentfreak.com/fake-news-propaganda-props-up-piracy-shield-errors-dismissed-as-lies-240225/
https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-shield-insane-iptv-blocking-system-revealed-and-easily-located-230819/

They are also the same people who "fact-check" and are responsible for the narrative coming from Media.
This is not what freedom means, anywhere. Corruption have taken control over the entire Internet in Italy, I wonder who is next? Germany is close, Portugal most certainly will implement something like this soon, France is probably already doing it.

EU Government is arguably mostly left-leaning nowadays, where the fuck are oldschool lefties that wanted to abolish copyright? Where are people behind Copyleft? So I guess we get left-leaning policies for everything that doesn't involve money, because then it would hurt someone else than just a citizen, a multi-billion streaming and Media gigants. They whine about hating capitalism, yet they let capitalistic and unregulated(not Government) corporations rule what flies on the Internet and what doesn't. And its not a national issue anymore, organization like ACE lobby in pretty much every country, they have global power like some Government of the entire world.

Shit like that genuinely makes me mad, not only do you have to follow up with local laws, but also boundaries set by the "Internet overlords" that have power over Government in censorship actions.

Communist dictatorship is by the people - for the people.
Corporate "democracies" are by the corps - for the corps.

1984: Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention

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