@somik said: That said, I don’t think any of us are still using a "low-end" desktop or laptop from 15 years ago.
I beg to differ...
Doing more with less.
If a terminal and a browser runs that's fine for me.
My main pc is an E3-1271v3 32gb 6x500gb SSD in raid 10 + 4x1TB HDD raid 10 + 1x esta 4TB and a silent RTX3050 6GB
Everything fanless I prefer silent running over performance
Sir... that's a server... Atleast call it a workstation! Also, in which world is 32GB of ram, 3TB of SSD & 8TB of HDD and RTX3050 considered "low end"?
Also, isn't that CPU being a bottleneck in your setup? RTX3050 needs a slightly higher end CPU.
Finally, I guess you live in a cold country. Only those in cold countries are all about "fanless" and "silent". Those of us in hot countries (like Singapore) dont mind "fan noises" from our computer. We cant hear that over the 18inch wall fan pointed at us. If you are a little more rich, you run a split aircon, which is also noisy, along with a smaller desk fan.
It started off as an i3 4770, moved to i5, then i7 the the E3, something like that anyway, each CPU upgrade was about £7 haha
Also started with 16GB, ended up with more so I put it in.
Also started with 2x500GB SSD in raid 1 and the eSATA for backups, and a GTX960
It got gradually upgraded, I don't game so the card only exists for some light local llms and because it's silent.
Workstation or desktop whatever haha, it sites in a cupboard in northern England above a hole in the floor where cold air from the cellar cools it down.
I also have a pixel book2, dunno when I last used it, needs Debian put on it, although these days I finally understand what @ehab sees in Alpine, considering it as a desktop.
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I am starting to wonder if just adapting the existing exclusive offers section is actually the best way forward to be honest.
Something along the lines of a rules change, and a category rename, Offers > Public Offers (indexed) | LET Exclusive Offers > LET Offers (Not indexed and auto sinks and is moved to a none visible dump after 7 days) you can post in either once per week, LET Offers have no price limit, but also hold no seo benefit, so its pointless dumping your website in there.
maybe thats a compromise?
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@AnthonySmith said:
I am starting to wonder if just adapting the existing exclusive offers section is actually the best way forward to be honest.
Something along the lines of a rules change, and a category rename, Offers > Public Offers (indexed) | LET Exclusive Offers > LET Offers (Not indexed and auto sinks and is moved to a none visible dump after 7 days) you can post in either once per week, LET Offers have no price limit, but also hold no seo benefit, so its pointless dumping your website in there.
maybe thats a compromise?
That would still reduce the probability of higher-quality offers.
Not technically, but maybe in terms of mentality and marketing.
@bikegremlin said: Not technically, but maybe in terms of mentality and marketing.
No doubt it would, but what I am thinking is: Vanilla can't do what we really need, nothing off the shelf can, I don't think, maybe this is a compromise.
TBH I started this thinking anything less than $10 is probably silly, that I go to OVH (Who are not the cheapest) and see 6vCPU and 12GB RAM and 100GB NVMe for <$7 I am starting to feel (not saying I am right) that a price limit reduction might be the thing that brings the spirit back.
But actually, I am not sure the real spirit exists any more in any scale. I think I need to think about this and go for a walk.
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@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
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@bikegremlin said: Not technically, but maybe in terms of mentality and marketing.
No doubt it would, but what I am thinking is: Vanilla can't do what we really need, nothing off the shelf can, I don't think, maybe this is a compromise.
TBH I started this thinking anything less than $10 is probably silly, that I go to OVH (Who are not the cheapest) and see 6vCPU and 12GB RAM and 100GB NVMe for <$7 I am starting to feel (not saying I am right) that a price limit reduction might be the thing that brings the spirit back.
You think we should set the price limits lower than they are now?
@AnthonySmith said:
I am starting to wonder if just adapting the existing exclusive offers section is actually the best way forward to be honest.
Something along the lines of a rules change, and a category rename, Offers > Public Offers (indexed) |** LET Exclusive Offers **> LET Offers (Not indexed and auto sinks and is moved to a none visible dump after 7 days) you can post in either once per week, LET Offers have no price limit, but also hold no seo benefit, so its pointless dumping your website in there.
@bikegremlin said: You think we should set the price limits lower than they are now?
Honestly, I don't know what to think now, I started this thinking 15 years later $7 is ridiculous, but if you look at what you get now for $7 on the LE* side of things compared to what you did 15 years ago... I am wondering if the problem all along has been not gradually lowering the $7 limit
192MB memory/384MB swap
8GB storage
200GB/month data transfer
Xen
$5 /month (£3.50)
Most offers around that time were up to 256mb, 512 felt like people were pushing it.
Plenty more examples.
The average server in 2010 was an x3440, it was the literal poster child of hosting, which topped out at 32GB Ram, and could run an average of up to 4 sata/sas disks
The equivalent today I would say is the E-2388G maybe E-2488G series which top out at 128GB or 192GB Ram, many are going in the EPYC 7003 series direction which top out far higher.
lets go with the lower end one E-2388G about 3x the threads depending on specific model (while obviously about 10x faster) and 4x the Ram capacity and well NVMe made things strange capacity/performance so I wont bother with that.
But lets be conservative and call it 4x over 15 years on the poster child VPS node, meanwhile everyone seems to want that 2GB RAM and 50GB NVMe sweet spot which is more like an 8x - 16x increase in expectations.
I dont know... total out of the 2nd shelf on the left of my ass maths honestly, but thats what the voices in my head are saying, I am wondering if this is actually worth spending a lot of time on as a real study and article. The reality may be surprising.
Would I like to see higher-end offers? yes.
Would I like to kill the LE* price? no
Do I think we can have both? unsure.
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@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
Did you post them as LES exclusive?
They weren't exclusive. He could've posted them exclusively here first for a week or whatnot and then made them public though I imagine.
@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
Did you post them as LES exclusive?
They weren't exclusive. He could've posted them exclusively here first for a week or whatnot and then made them public though I imagine.
Starting to feel like the forced exclusivity is part of the problem, as by the letter of the law, that means it has to be unique, like what if he posted the same offer on LET 2 days later, its within the rules he can do that, but then he can never post it here again, whats he supposed to do, mess with his billing system once a week and end up with a massive list of zombie products (billing backends are a pain).
Starting to feel like just changing the Exclusive section to the non-indexed section is part of the answer.
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@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
Did you post them as LES exclusive?
They weren't exclusive. He could've posted them exclusively here first for a week or whatnot and then made them public though I imagine.
Starting to feel like the forced exclusivity is part of the problem, as by the letter of the law, that means it has to be unique, like what if he posted the same offer on LET 2 days later, its within the rules he can do that, but then he can never post it here again, whats he supposed to do, mess with his billing system once a week and end up with a massive list of zombie products (billing backends are a pain).
Starting to feel like just changing the Exclusive section to the non-indexed section is part of the answer.
Easy.
Public offer: $20/month, 4C 32G 100G 16000G.
LES exclusive: $20/month, 4C 32G 100G 16001G.
@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
Did you post them as LES exclusive?
They weren't exclusive. He could've posted them exclusively here first for a week or whatnot and then made them public though I imagine.
We just purchased hypervisors and were trying to get them filled quick.
Having them as an LES exclusive promo would limit our ability to post them elsewhere, and LES is not as active as the places we wanted to advertise the promo.
Due to this, we decided that we would forego LES and post them in other places that did not have as strict pricing limits.
Thus, LES missed out on a promo that would have likely been attractive to quite a few users.
We have done an LES exclusive promo a few times where we would post it on other forums around a week later, but not in situations where we want stock to go fast.
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
@Advin said:
Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
Did you post them as LES exclusive?
They weren't exclusive. He could've posted them exclusively here first for a week or whatnot and then made them public though I imagine.
We just purchased hypervisors and were trying to get them filled quick.
Having them as an LES exclusive promo would limit our ability to post them elsewhere, and LES is not as active as the places we wanted to advertise the promo.
Due to this, we decided that we would forego LES and post them in other places that did not have as strict pricing limits.
Thus, LES missed out on a promo that would have likely been attractive to quite a few users.
We have done an LES exclusive promo a few times where we would post it on other forums around a week later, but not in situations where we want stock to go fast.
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
Yes, a pattern is emerging here.
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@Advin said:
Having them as an LES exclusive promo would limit our ability to post them elsewhere, and LES is not as active as the places we wanted to advertise the promo.
Due to this, we decided that we would forego LES and post them in other places that did not have as strict pricing limits.
Thus, LES missed out on a promo that would have likely been attractive to quite a few users.
And that is also why I use LES for the community and LET & some other forums when I need to find a deal.
I mean I understand why the pricing limit was set and agreed with it. But that was in 2019 and in 2026, it no longer reflects the current market prices...
@Advin said:
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
No, they usually change the promo code with a different code. Some go as far as changing one digit in bandwidth or disk space to make it "seem" different. But in essence, yes, that is what some do.
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@Advin said:
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
No, they usually change the promo code with a different code. Some go as far as changing one digit in bandwidth or disk space to make it "seem" different. But in essence, yes, that is what some do.
@Advin said:
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
No, they usually change the promo code with a different code. Some go as far as changing one digit in bandwidth or disk space to make it "seem" different. But in essence, yes, that is what some do.
He's saying customers repost them.
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
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@Advin said:
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
No, they usually change the promo code with a different code. Some go as far as changing one digit in bandwidth or disk space to make it "seem" different. But in essence, yes, that is what some do.
He's saying customers repost them.
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
Kind of is it did I not understand your point?
MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
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@somik said:
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
Kind of is it did I not understand your point?
MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
I did miss out on that rule. I thought it was only for providers. Still, I do not see how LES would track members across forums specially if they signed up with different usernames...
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@somik said:
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
Kind of is it did I not understand your point?
MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
I did miss out on that rule. I thought it was only for providers. Still, I do not see how LES would track members across forums specially if they signed up with different usernames...
Against my recommendations, for now it is still limited to members knowing they're breaking the social contract and being banned.
"MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning."
I am sure that exemplary knock on the door and execution would have sent a clearer message, but admins cited some international laws and similar nonsense... so it is how it is - it's their call.
$7 limit was set 15 years ago, nothing costs what it did 15 years ago
As a general remark, communities can be very resistant to change: long-standing traditions that have played an essential role in defining the identity of a community are difficult to overturn
If we take the example of OGF, where the price limit was raised from $7 to $10 around five years ago, the $7 mindset/meme is still going strong, so much so that many users now call/long for $7/year offers (!), whereas the original conception was $7/month
None of us owns the $7 idea, the guy who did, picked a random number that sounded ok at the time.
We could say that the low-end community now owns the $7 idea, for better or for worse
Perhaps there is also a consideration of the following kind: if LES keeps to $7, then this is a further characteristic -- not the only one, of course -- that distinguishes LES from OGF, which perhaps is a good thing
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
$7 limit was set 15 years ago, nothing costs what it did 15 years ago
As a general remark, communities can be very resistant to change: long-standing traditions that have played an essential role in defining the identity of a community are difficult to overturn
If we take the example of OGF, where the price limit was raised from $7 to $10 around five years ago, the $7 mindset/meme is still going strong, so much so that many users now call/long for $7/year offers (!), whereas the original conception was $7/month
None of us owns the $7 idea, the guy who did, picked a random number that sounded ok at the time.
We could say that the low-end community now owns the $7 idea, for better or for worse
Perhaps there is also a consideration of the following kind: if LES keeps to $7, then this is a further characteristic -- not the only one, of course -- that distinguishes LES from OGF, which perhaps is a good thing
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@somik said:
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
Kind of is it did I not understand your point?
MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
I did miss out on that rule. I thought it was only for providers. Still, I do not see how LES would track members across forums specially if they signed up with different usernames...
Against my recommendations, for now it is still limited to members knowing they're breaking the social contract and being banned.
"MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning."
I am sure that exemplary knock on the door and execution would have sent a clearer message, but admins cited some international laws and similar nonsense... so it is how it is - it's their call.
I think that I wrote that rule, I only partially remember, I think it was always just a strongly worded "please don't"
When I posted TierHive here exclusively on launch, it was on nodeseek within hours if not minutes, with all of the context stripped out, I know who did it, but really it's a near impossible one to enforce and probably a bit outdated.
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@somik said:
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
Kind of is it did I not understand your point?
MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
I did miss out on that rule. I thought it was only for providers. Still, I do not see how LES would track members across forums specially if they signed up with different usernames...
Against my recommendations, for now it is still limited to members knowing they're breaking the social contract and being banned.
"MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning."
I am sure that exemplary knock on the door and execution would have sent a clearer message, but admins cited some international laws and similar nonsense... so it is how it is - it's their call.
I think it was always just a strongly worded "please don't"
Yes. About time we put Rocky and Knuckles on the job...
@AnthonySmith said:
I think that I wrote that rule, I only partially remember, I think it was always just a strongly worded "please don't"
When I posted TierHive here exclusively on launch, it was on nodeseek within hours if not minutes, with all of the context stripped out, I know who did it, but really it's a near impossible one to enforce and probably a bit outdated.
So maybe it's time to remove the LES exclusive offer and make the upper limit higher?
Again, just a recommendation. Actual decision is left up to LES management team
@bikegremlin said:
Yes. About time we put Rocky and Knuckles on the job...
Why not just remove rules that cannot be enforced?
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@AnthonySmith said:
I think that I wrote that rule, I only partially remember, I think it was always just a strongly worded "please don't"
When I posted TierHive here exclusively on launch, it was on nodeseek within hours if not minutes, with all of the context stripped out, I know who did it, but really it's a near impossible one to enforce and probably a bit outdated.
So maybe it's time to remove the LES exclusive offer and make the upper limit higher?
Again, just a recommendation. Actual decision is left up to LES management team
@bikegremlin said:
Yes. About time we put Rocky and Knuckles on the job...
Why not just remove rules that cannot be enforced?
That is an ethical and philosophical question that can be discussed at length, despite having been posted as a rhetorical one.
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Nearly all of our plans cost >$7 USD. Yet, there are many people on LE* forums who purchase them because they offer great value for the resources.
We could not post our $9 for 32GB RAM deal on LES a while ago because that would have violated pricing rules. Or, our $8 for 16GB RAM Milan deal.
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It started off as an i3 4770, moved to i5, then i7 the the E3, something like that anyway, each CPU upgrade was about £7 haha
Also started with 16GB, ended up with more so I put it in.
Also started with 2x500GB SSD in raid 1 and the eSATA for backups, and a GTX960
It got gradually upgraded, I don't game so the card only exists for some light local llms and because it's silent.
Workstation or desktop whatever haha, it sites in a cupboard in northern England above a hole in the floor where cold air from the cellar cools it down.
I also have a pixel book2, dunno when I last used it, needs Debian put on it, although these days I finally understand what @ehab sees in Alpine, considering it as a desktop.
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I am starting to wonder if just adapting the existing exclusive offers section is actually the best way forward to be honest.
Something along the lines of a rules change, and a category rename, Offers > Public Offers (indexed) | LET Exclusive Offers > LET Offers (Not indexed and auto sinks and is moved to a none visible dump after 7 days) you can post in either once per week, LET Offers have no price limit, but also hold no seo benefit, so its pointless dumping your website in there.
maybe thats a compromise?
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That would still reduce the probability of higher-quality offers.
Not technically, but maybe in terms of mentality and marketing.
I could be wrong, but that's what I figure.
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No doubt it would, but what I am thinking is: Vanilla can't do what we really need, nothing off the shelf can, I don't think, maybe this is a compromise.
TBH I started this thinking anything less than $10 is probably silly, that I go to OVH (Who are not the cheapest) and see 6vCPU and 12GB RAM and 100GB NVMe for <$7 I am starting to feel (not saying I am right) that a price limit reduction might be the thing that brings the spirit back.
But actually, I am not sure the real spirit exists any more in any scale. I think I need to think about this and go for a walk.
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lets make it $5
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You think we should set the price limits lower than they are now?
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Why are we promoting LET offers?
Honestly, I don't know what to think now, I started this thinking 15 years later $7 is ridiculous, but if you look at what you get now for $7 on the LE* side of things compared to what you did 15 years ago... I am wondering if the problem all along has been not gradually lowering the $7 limit
september 2010 - https://lowendbox.com/blog/dewlance-3-99-128mb-openvz-vps/
128MB memory
10GB storage
50GB/month data transfer
OpenVZ
$3.99
https://lowendbox.com/blog/all-simple-3-50-192mb-xen-vps-in-uk/
192MB memory/384MB swap
8GB storage
200GB/month data transfer
Xen
$5 /month (£3.50)
Most offers around that time were up to 256mb, 512 felt like people were pushing it.
Plenty more examples.
The average server in 2010 was an x3440, it was the literal poster child of hosting, which topped out at 32GB Ram, and could run an average of up to 4 sata/sas disks
The equivalent today I would say is the E-2388G maybe E-2488G series which top out at 128GB or 192GB Ram, many are going in the EPYC 7003 series direction which top out far higher.
lets go with the lower end one E-2388G about 3x the threads depending on specific model (while obviously about 10x faster) and 4x the Ram capacity and well NVMe made things strange capacity/performance so I wont bother with that.
But lets be conservative and call it 4x over 15 years on the poster child VPS node, meanwhile everyone seems to want that 2GB RAM and 50GB NVMe sweet spot which is more like an 8x - 16x increase in expectations.
I dont know... total out of the 2nd shelf on the left of my ass maths honestly, but thats what the voices in my head are saying, I am wondering if this is actually worth spending a lot of time on as a real study and article. The reality may be surprising.
Would I like to see higher-end offers? yes.
Would I like to kill the LE* price? no
Do I think we can have both? unsure.
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Did you post them as LES exclusive?
They weren't exclusive. He could've posted them exclusively here first for a week or whatnot and then made them public though I imagine.
Starting to feel like the forced exclusivity is part of the problem, as by the letter of the law, that means it has to be unique, like what if he posted the same offer on LET 2 days later, its within the rules he can do that, but then he can never post it here again, whats he supposed to do, mess with his billing system once a week and end up with a massive list of zombie products (billing backends are a pain).
Starting to feel like just changing the Exclusive section to the non-indexed section is part of the answer.
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Easy.
Public offer: $20/month, 4C 32G 100G 16000G.
LES exclusive: $20/month, 4C 32G 100G 16001G.
Different PID, different specs.
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We just purchased hypervisors and were trying to get them filled quick.
Having them as an LES exclusive promo would limit our ability to post them elsewhere, and LES is not as active as the places we wanted to advertise the promo.
Due to this, we decided that we would forego LES and post them in other places that did not have as strict pricing limits.
Thus, LES missed out on a promo that would have likely been attractive to quite a few users.
We have done an LES exclusive promo a few times where we would post it on other forums around a week later, but not in situations where we want stock to go fast.
I'm pretty sure most of our LES exclusive promotions just get reposted on other forums anyway.
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And that is also why I use LES for the community and LET & some other forums when I need to find a deal.
I mean I understand why the pricing limit was set and agreed with it. But that was in 2019 and in 2026, it no longer reflects the current market prices...
No, they usually change the promo code with a different code. Some go as far as changing one digit in bandwidth or disk space to make it "seem" different. But in essence, yes, that is what some do.
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He's saying customers repost them.
Well, it isn't against the rules for customers to repost LES exclusive offers... I mean you can easily setup a bot to monitor LES exclusive offers category and auto post it to a forum of your choice
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Kind of is it did I not understand your point?
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I did miss out on that rule. I thought it was only for providers. Still, I do not see how LES would track members across forums specially if they signed up with different usernames...
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Against my recommendations, for now it is still limited to members knowing they're breaking the social contract and being banned.
"MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning."
I am sure that exemplary knock on the door and execution would have sent a clearer message, but admins cited some international laws and similar nonsense... so it is how it is - it's their call.
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As a general remark, communities can be very resistant to change: long-standing traditions that have played an essential role in defining the identity of a community are difficult to overturn
If we take the example of OGF, where the price limit was raised from $7 to $10 around five years ago, the $7 mindset/meme is still going strong, so much so that many users now call/long for $7/year offers (!), whereas the original conception was $7/month
We could say that the low-end community now owns the $7 idea, for better or for worse
Perhaps there is also a consideration of the following kind: if LES keeps to $7, then this is a further characteristic -- not the only one, of course -- that distinguishes LES from OGF, which perhaps is a good thing
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I think that I wrote that rule, I only partially remember, I think it was always just a strongly worded "please don't"
When I posted TierHive here exclusively on launch, it was on nodeseek within hours if not minutes, with all of the context stripped out, I know who did it, but really it's a near impossible one to enforce and probably a bit outdated.
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So maybe it's time to remove the LES exclusive offer and make the upper limit higher?
Again, just a recommendation. Actual decision is left up to LES management team
Why not just remove rules that cannot be enforced?
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That is an ethical and philosophical question that can be discussed at length, despite having been posted as a rhetorical one.
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