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@flips said:
Yes, @wordpress, I've read that WordOps explanation and others ... But Redis is not just another general cache, as It says "object store"? Won't it's effectiveness depend on content type/setup?
(There's an optional redis object cache plugin for WP.)
... Or to put it simpler: Should I install Redis no matter what kinda content the WP install hosts? And no matter if the stack uses LScache or some other general cache (utilizing Varnish or whatever)?

Redis can be used for all types of cache: Object, Database, and Page Cache.

In case of LiteSpeed/OpenLiteSpeed, you can use LSCache for Page Caching, and Redis for Object and Database.
In case of NGINX, you can use FastCGI Cache for Page Caching, and Redis for Object and Database.

You can use Redis for Object Cache and Database Cache on any Web Server (Apache, NGINX, LiteSpeed/OpenLiteSpeed), and use the Page Caching provided by that Web Server.

At the moment, I'm using Redis for everything.

ferri

@chocolateshirt said:
From my experience, if you are using Nginx then Nginx FastCGI Cache is the fastest one. It work on server level. You only need nginx_helper module to flush/purge the cache.

Yes, so far this is my preference too

bikegremlin

@flips said:
Yes, @wordpress, I've read that WordOps explanation and others ... But Redis is not just another general cache, as It says "object store"? Won't it's effectiveness depend on content type/setup?
(There's an optional redis object cache plugin for WP.)
... Or to put it simpler: Should I install Redis no matter what kinda content the WP install hosts? And no matter if the stack uses LScache or some other general cache (utilizing Varnish or whatever)?

Suppose a caching plugin that works with Redis is the sensible option. LiteSpeed is such, there may be others.

NoComment

The fastest setup would be a combination of something like fastcgi/varnish with redis. (Last I heard fastcgi was slightly better but honestly, you never know unless you test it out yourself) Using only redis performs pretty well too. But here's the catch. Occasionally, some things don't work well with redis when you use installation scripts. I admit I am not an expert in this because the time you would have to spend to optimize an setup isn't worth it unless you have insane traffic in which case you wouldn't be using wordpress...

It should also be noted that it is possible to install some wordpress caching plugins such that they don't use php but cache on the server level. I like putting my sites through tests and benchmarks, but if that's not your thing, just go with any out-of-the-box setup that doesn't break your site. The performance differences usually don't matter much. If they did matter, you would have to upgrade your hosting plan anyway.

flips

Thanks guys. So, as long as the VPS has some available memory, Redis is a good idea

vyas

What slows down the web?

https://itnext.io/we-rendered-a-million-web-pages-to-find-out-what-makes-the-web-slow-72bbba9ade96

"We rendered the top 1 million pages on the web, tracking every conceivable performance metric, logging every error, noting every requested URL. To our knowledge, this produces the first dataset that connects performance, errors, and library use on the web."

elliotc

@flips said:
Thanks guys. So, as long as the VPS has some available memory, Redis is a good idea

Theoretically, if a WordPress fully page cached, rarely will hit the database. But I cannot see disadvantage of using Redis if you have ram.

vyas

@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

bikegremlin

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

vyas

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

Super! Child in a post on child theme :-) Nice touch

I will check out the Category-posts plugin. Do not mind paying if it saves me time and effort.

This page, for example took me about 30 minutes to re-do https://amarvyas.in/review-benchmarks-of-vps/
(included reading time on How to add anchors under WP 5.5x + Gutenburg). The sheer number of "Block errors" was frustrating, and the current version is far from ideal.

I have several pages like this that get a bit of visitors, and could benefit with a table of contents: https://amarvyas.in/how-to-use-cdn-content-delivery-network/

bikegremlin

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

Super! Child in a post on child theme :-) Nice touch

I will check out the Category-posts plugin. Do not mind paying if it saves me time and effort.

This page, for example took me about 30 minutes to re-do https://amarvyas.in/review-benchmarks-of-vps/
(included reading time on How to add anchors under WP 5.5x + Gutenburg). The sheer number of "Block errors" was frustrating, and the current version is far from ideal.

I have several pages like this that get a bit of visitors, and could benefit with a table of contents: https://amarvyas.in/how-to-use-cdn-content-delivery-network/

I love TOCs. For both websites, and books. Forgot: I add chapter list within 99% of my articles, but I do that "manually" (don't want to use a plugin for that, but there are, if you like, I can check on that too - found one that works nicely).

However, I'm not sure people nowadays know what TOC is (like average, normal, 15 to 35 years old), or use it. At least from the feedback and info I've gathered.

Same goes for breadcrumbs. I love it, makes navigation easier, but it's no longer what I'd call "normal".

For example:
I'd prefer if your website had categories, TOC, and "clickable" "chapters" lists at the top of each article - for that article.

vyas

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

Super! Child in a post on child theme :-) Nice touch

I will check out the Category-posts plugin. Do not mind paying if it saves me time and effort.

This page, for example took me about 30 minutes to re-do https://amarvyas.in/review-benchmarks-of-vps/
(included reading time on How to add anchors under WP 5.5x + Gutenburg). The sheer number of "Block errors" was frustrating, and the current version is far from ideal.

I have several pages like this that get a bit of visitors, and could benefit with a table of contents: https://amarvyas.in/how-to-use-cdn-content-delivery-network/

I love TOCs. For both websites, and books. Forgot: I add chapter list within 99% of my articles, but I do that "manually" (don't want to use a plugin for that, but there are, if you like, I can check on that too - found one that works nicely).

However, I'm not sure people nowadays know what TOC is (like average, normal, 15 to 35 years old), or use it. At least from the feedback and info I've gathered.

Same goes for breadcrumbs. I love it, makes navigation easier, but it's no longer what I'd call "normal".

For example:
I'd prefer if your website had categories, TOC, and "clickable" "chapters" lists at the top of each article - for that article.

Interesting. I tried accordion menu, FAQ type structure, and plain "text Dump" like you see in my posts on LESBlog. Read recently from a known blogger that TOC still carry some weight.
Maybe will do A/B testing: TOC at the bottom of the post rather than the top. Particularly for mobile phone users.

bikegremlin

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

Super! Child in a post on child theme :-) Nice touch

I will check out the Category-posts plugin. Do not mind paying if it saves me time and effort.

This page, for example took me about 30 minutes to re-do https://amarvyas.in/review-benchmarks-of-vps/
(included reading time on How to add anchors under WP 5.5x + Gutenburg). The sheer number of "Block errors" was frustrating, and the current version is far from ideal.

I have several pages like this that get a bit of visitors, and could benefit with a table of contents: https://amarvyas.in/how-to-use-cdn-content-delivery-network/

I love TOCs. For both websites, and books. Forgot: I add chapter list within 99% of my articles, but I do that "manually" (don't want to use a plugin for that, but there are, if you like, I can check on that too - found one that works nicely).

However, I'm not sure people nowadays know what TOC is (like average, normal, 15 to 35 years old), or use it. At least from the feedback and info I've gathered.

Same goes for breadcrumbs. I love it, makes navigation easier, but it's no longer what I'd call "normal".

For example:
I'd prefer if your website had categories, TOC, and "clickable" "chapters" lists at the top of each article - for that article.

Interesting. I tried accordion menu, FAQ type structure, and plain "text Dump" like you see in my posts on LESBlog. Read recently from a known blogger that TOC still carry some weight.
Maybe will do A/B testing: TOC at the bottom of the post rather than the top. Particularly for mobile phone users.

For mobile: no TOC, very short pages, with

a

separate

paragraph

for

each

sentence.

At least that's what I see as a trend nowadays. And many people say they prefer it (I think it sucks, but wouldn't use myself as a gude for what's in).

Ympker

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

Checked out your plugin list briefly. Saw that you mentioned WordFence. Since we talked about GDPR in the other post this is another plugin you might be wary about if you fall under GDPR. US-based, transmitting data.. IP addresses (also called "personal data" these days) are being saved for a certain duration on WordFence servers to protect against bruteforce. Now, one might have said "okay, you know, this falls under article 6, 1f of GDPR for maintaining security but the trend goes into having to save IP Addresses only in anonymized form except you are a DC/hosting provider perhaps. And also I think max. 7 days?! is kinda accepted; saving full IP Addresses isn't technically even "legit" anymore afaik..if you are no Host and e.g. just on Shared/Reseller.
WPSecurity Ninja (US company yet again), a Security Plugin I value a lot and I thought about going Pro, says they are GDPR compliant. However, they are saving full IP Addresses for 30 days on US servers which THEY justify under the aforementioned Article 6,1f GDPR but likely this won't uphold if questioned by an european lawyer/court/authority or even competitor looking to sue you.
If the company and its' servers were EU-based that'd be another story and I could see a light of hope but US based, now with Privacy Shield gone, and logging full IP Addresses for 30 days on US servers..for some lawyers and GDPR this apepars to be worse than potential WW3.

bikegremlin

@Ympker said:

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:
@bikegremlin and others who use Table of Content for WP posts..

Do you use a plugin or code it? I am planning to publish all new posts with a TOC ( inline) but have the archives that need some help thx

Would ideally look for a non plugin solution

Good reminder to update my plugins list page.

This was created using List category posts plugin (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/list-category-posts/

This, on the other hand:
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/reviews/tools/

is a page, that lists "child" pages, using this short-code:
[relja_child_pages]

that is added to my child theme (that's my clone and me in the pic! ), and looks like this:

/ looks like crap, here's the link:

https://io.bikegremlin.com/11334/child-theme/#5

Checked out your plugin list briefly. Saw that you mentioned WordFence. Since we talked about GDPR in the other post this is another plugin you might be wary about if you fall under GDPR. US-based, transmitting data.. IP addresses (also called "personal data" these days) are being saved for a certain duration on WordFence servers to protect against bruteforce. Now, one might have said "okay, you know, this falls under article 6, 1f of GDPR for maintaining security but the trend goes into having to save IP Addresses only in anonymized form except you are a DC/hosting provider perhaps. And also I think max. 7 days?! is kinda accepted; saving full IP Addresses isn't technically even "legit" anymore afaik..if you are no Host and e.g. just on Shared/Reseller.
WPSecurity Ninja (US company yet again), a Security Plugin I value a lot and I thought about going Pro, says they are GDPR compliant. However, they are saving full IP Addresses for 30 days on US servers which THEY justify under the aforementioned Article 6,1f GDPR but likely this won't uphold if questioned by an european lawyer/court/authority or even competitor looking to sue you.
If the company and its' servers were EU-based that'd be another story and I could see a light of hope but US based, now with Privacy Shield gone, and logging full IP Addresses for 30 days on US servers..for some lawyers and GDPR this apepars to be worse than potential WW3.

The older I get, the happier I am for not being a part of the EU.
It is getting ridiculous. All with "good intentions".

Suppose every website using Cloudflare (as more than just DNS) is not GDPR compliant - technically.
But I still can say "fuck 'em!" At least for now.

Nonetheless, need to go over that list and update it. Yoast for one needs to go.

bikegremlin

Well, Softaculous has been refusing to work today. Not sure if it is software, or firewall related. While I'm waiting to see if tech. support can do anything, just to ask:
what plugin for WP website migration would you recommend?

I've got a few development sites to move/clone, and would rather not bother doing it "manually".
Migrations are from one hosting server to another.

And - how much does it cost to "really" work - without any gotcha's - like file size limits, no FTP support etc.

Edit: yup, tech. support gave the standard Catch22 answer about the software not entirely tested... and a recommendation to use All In One WP Migration.

flips

Save softaculous backups, and import at other host? (Better than manual?)

Ympker

@bikegremlin said:
Well, Softaculous has been refusing to work today. Not sure if it is software, or firewall related. While I'm waiting to see if tech. support can do anything, just to ask:
what plugin for WP website migration would you recommend?

I've got a few development sites to move/clone, and would rather not bother doing it "manually".
Migrations are from one hosting server to another.

And - how much does it cost to "really" work - without any gotcha's - like file size limits, no FTP support etc.

Edit: yup, tech. support gave the standard Catch22 answer about the software not entirely tested... and a recommendation to use All In One WP Migration.

I usually use AIO WP MIGRATION to migrate wp sites. It works best for migrations imho. Updraft Plus can also do the job reliably

vyas

Yup both AIO WP backup and Updraft Plus are good and highly recommend

bikegremlin

Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

chocolateshirt

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Free version of Updraft Plud is enough for me, I don't need to upload to cloud storage.

angstrom

I found this blog article (from the end of November) interesting: I hadn't realized just how dominant WordPress is.

https://www.namecheap.com/blog/wordpress-market-share/

Also, the notion that WordPress could be thought of as "an operating system for the web" is something that I hadn't thought of. (See also https://www.startupgrind.com/blog/fireside-chat-with-matt-mullenweg/ in this respect.)

I wonder whether it's a good thing that WordPress has become so dominant on the web.

wordpress

ive been using wpvivid 90% of the time it works perfect ?

vyas

@bikegremlin said:

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

Check if they still have the NY offer running. Good product.
AIO is also finicky about the maximum size of backup in free tier, though it is an easy fix.

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

True,

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Brilliant!

bikegremlin

@chocolateshirt said:

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Free version of Updraft Plud is enough for me, I don't need to upload to cloud storage.

Can it clone a site from dev.example.com on server one, to www.example.com on server two?

vyas

@bikegremlin said:

@chocolateshirt said:

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Free version of Updraft Plud is enough for me, I don't need to upload to cloud storage.

Can it clone a site from dev.example.com on server one, to www.example.com on server two?

Totally! Just did it this morning myself

Backup from server A to gDrive (default for free version).
Restore to server B from same gDrive

Ympker

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Updraft Plus free version is usually sufficient for what you are looking to do It also supports domain changes or domain <-->subdomain .
Granted I have not tried every complex wp setup out there, but for your avg WP site it works.
AIO WP I bought the unlimited extension and get access to download the pro plugin. I don't need to enter any API key once it is installed so while their one-time fee is not meant for business use there seems to be no way from stopping you to. As for reliability, it worked every single time and very easy to use. It kinda sux that afterwards, when I want to e.g. add some addon from them like SFTP, or some cloud service I have to pay full price again, even though I already bought Unlimited License. But then again, it is a one-off purchase with updates so.. I get your point about their pricing being confusing though.

bikegremlin

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@chocolateshirt said:

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Free version of Updraft Plud is enough for me, I don't need to upload to cloud storage.

Can it clone a site from dev.example.com on server one, to www.example.com on server two?

Totally! Just did it this morning myself

Backup from server A to gDrive (default for free version).
Restore to server B from same gDrive

Even if domain is changed? Like dev.x.com to www.x.com?

vyas

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@chocolateshirt said:

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Free version of Updraft Plud is enough for me, I don't need to upload to cloud storage.

Can it clone a site from dev.example.com on server one, to www.example.com on server two?

Totally! Just did it this morning myself

Backup from server A to gDrive (default for free version).
Restore to server B from same gDrive

Even if domain is changed? Like dev.x.com to www.x.com?

You will have to update the domain can do so via wp-config or wp dashboard general menu

Ympker

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@vyas said:

@bikegremlin said:

@chocolateshirt said:

@bikegremlin said:
Thanks.

Though, AIO WP Migration has a very shady pricing policy. The only way I could find a price was by first installing the plugin, and then it would take me to the site page with prices (still unclear - what is the difference between my own sites, and company - the number, volume, domain?!). Very shady.

Updraft plus is clear (and rather expensive - perhaps even more than the AIO).

While WP CLI requires SSH access - which requires a static IP with most hosting providers... which costs money every month.

"Which ever way you turn, your ass is always at the back" is a local saying.

Free version of Updraft Plud is enough for me, I don't need to upload to cloud storage.

Can it clone a site from dev.example.com on server one, to www.example.com on server two?

Totally! Just did it this morning myself

Backup from server A to gDrive (default for free version).
Restore to server B from same gDrive

Even if domain is changed? Like dev.x.com to www.x.com?

You will have to update the domain can do so via wp-config or wp dashboard general menu

Iirc Updraft just prompts you about this when restoring and does it all automatically. Never had to manually change wp config.