Who do you think of when you think about the deep-discount players in the VPS market?

AndyMcFadden

I mean ones who can get you up and running for $12 or less per year. That's an arbitrary limit picked by me, but it works out to $1 / month if paid on an annual basis. The ones I know about are:

• Inception Hosting
• Virmach
• Gullo's Hosting
• MrVM

Any more?

MikeA

What do you think of

They are doing great things while probably not making a penny.

Abdullah

WebHorizon
WisHosting

mikho

@MikeA said:

What do you think of

They are doing great things while probably not making a penny.

Can't speak for the other Providers mentioned but MrVM is/was never meant to be a money-making machine. I'm happy as long as the money in each month pays for the resources used.
It has been a learning journey and even if there are times I am seconds away from closing everything down, I remember the things I've got from being a part of what started as a project and now has grown into this.

MrVM is a brand and as long as people are interested in NAT servers it will stay online. I have other sources of income that pays the bills

vyas

@AndyMcFadden said:

• Inception Hosting
• Virmach
• Gullo's Hosting
• MrVM

I have plans with all of them, three of them for NAT. First thought that comes to mind: LE does not mean Low Quality

AndyMcFadden

@mikho said:
there are times I am seconds away from closing everything down

I imagine it's a lot of work to bring in $0.50 per customer per month, almost all of it disappearing into fixed costs.

Do the difficulties come from the customers or from technology?

mikho

@AndyMcFadden said:

@mikho said:
there are times I am seconds away from closing everything down

I imagine it's a lot of work to bring in $0.50 per customer per month, almost all of it disappearing into fixed costs.

Do the difficulties come from the customers or from technology?

Most of the time, technology.

I'll give you a couple of examples:

• Suddenly no one could reinstall their VPS, only to find out that Virtualizor still uses the old template system used by OVZ6 even for OVZ7 and that someone over at Virtuozzo decided to update their converter-script to use python3 instead of python.

One small character cost me many hours before I could fix it, perhaps it's only a temporary fix? Who knows.

• All of a sudden IPv4 traffic FROM all VPS on one node never leaves the node.
  If you open a connection from the outside over IPv4 (ssh to the VPS) the connection is fine.

In total, I think I had one week of "downtime" on that node, when one day, it all works again. It actually fixed itself while I was sleeping.
During that time, OS updates, Virtualizor updates, configuration changes, reboots, the list goes on..... I even contacted the DC and had them investigate their Network Equipment if something was misconfigured.

InceptionHosting

BuyVM
Edis
Ramhost
Mrvm
Gullo

Many of the other names I think off closed down or merged.

umi

+SoftShellWeb

allendiggity

As I'm so cheap , I think (know) I wouldn't be playing if these value products were not available.

Thanks to @mikho for getting us going in NO.

Unixfy

Can't forget the German hosts: Contabo, Netcup, PHP-Friends, Avoro, Hetzner.

yoursunny

@AndyMcFadden said:
$12 per year

$12 is too much. I have:
VirMach $4 per year KVM 384MB with IPv4.
Gullo $1 per year VZ7 128MB no IPv4.

I wonder how much the provider is losing for these boxes. IPv4 costs more than $4 per year.

Francisco

@MikeA said:

What do you think of

They are doing great things while probably not making a penny.

Its a razors edge in some of it. 3 of those have,had a NAT focus so they don't have IP costs.

I still believe virmach is at least partially owned by CC, or could be soon. There has been a big falling out between a lot of large Chinese resellers and their hosts.

This has meant that many providers are sitting on mountains of gear (think hundreds and hundreds of nodes) and a lot of IPs. Remember the 4+ racks of old ass gear that went up for sale on LET the other day? Ill bet lunch that its for the same reason.

Anyway, CC and many others were heavy into that market.

Francisco

tetech

@AndyMcFadden said:
Who do you think of when you think about the deep-discount players in the VPS market?

Pamela Anderson

seriesn

@tetech said:

@AndyMcFadden said:
Who do you think of when you think about the deep-discount players in the VPS market?

Pamela Anderson

Dudddeee, trying to sleep

cybertech

Avoro EPYC deals
Inception Hosting high frequency deals
Letbox storage deals
Virmach weak CPU deals

nishantk

i grabbed black Friday from alphavps.bg for $12 (1500MB, 15GB SSD) and honestly i was not expecting much and planned to use it for some learning and sandbox purposes, but to my surprise the vps is working so nice and support from Vladislav Peev is super fast.using this vps for almost a year now.
I don't know how this guy is providing quality service + Support in such a cheap price. Low end universe is full of surprises.

foxone

@vyas said:

@AndyMcFadden said:

• Inception Hosting
• Virmach
• Gullo's Hosting
• MrVM

LE does not mean Low Quality

Of course it means "low end", the L is low, and E is end...

willie

When I think of deep discount I think of chicagovps back in the day, summer hosts, contabo etc. Bad stuff. Their thing was trying to sell ridiculous amounts of resources in the $7 limit or lower. It was unsustainable, involved lots of overallocation so shitty vps's, etc. When you talk about a 128MB NAT or a $12-15/y low resource openvz, that's just "low end" rather than deep discount and those things can be (and often are) great, as long as you don't expect too much from them. They're fine for small web servers, vpn's, that sort of thing. BuyVM ($15/y openvz with ipv4) and InceptionHosting ($3/y NAT with very small, non-raid disk allocation) were the pioneers but lots of others have similar plans now. I've had a bunch of them in the past but am now down to just one (sort of), a $20/y Virmach KVM very close to where I live. Even that is pretty seriously underutilitized but it works fine. My main beataround VPS is a 1GB BuyVM slice in Las Vegas but it's a little more upscale at $5/month including a storage slab.

Not_Oles

@Francisco said: There has been a big falling out between a lot of large Chinese resellers and their hosts.

Hi @Francisco! Can you please say a bit more about what happened and why?