LES max offer price limit change?

bikegremlin

When you die, you don't know you're dead, and you don't suffer.
The others suffer.
It's the same when you're stupid.

Follow me for more promotion speech ideas.

...Wait... that was for Linkedin... now where are my notes?!

Anyway, I've been checking out shared, and reseller hosting offers over the past few months. Not an expert in VPS-s, so take this all with a grain of salt - thinking out loud.

There is worldwide inflation. The current LES price limits seem to put many decent-quality, affordable offers out of reach. To double-check that, I took a look at what the current LET limits are. They're roughly 50% higher than LES.

Would it make sense to literally double our current limits?

A practical example:
I could see Veerotech and MDDHosting offering something for 2x the current LES limit prices.
And I'd consider that beneficial to both LES members and the providers.

Those are just two companies I've had a good experience with (short time still for MDDHosting though, but Veerotech's been very solid for well over a year I've used the service).
And I'd be happy to bother them to offer a good deal on LES (and wouldn't be too surprised if they agreed, nor too surprised if they ghosted me for that matter ).

Good experience (for providers and members) could see offers and (hopefully, high-quality) members rolling in. Helping LES grow.

My concerns:
Wouldn't like to see another WHT, nor any LET-like drama (we've got those places for such thrills).

What do you think?

LES offer limits

LET offer limits

bikegremlin

LES offer limits

LET offer limits

MichaelCee

Don't really know about a general increase but I'd be happy to see shared hosts posting up to $5/m offers to match the email rules. In my personal case they are exactly the same thing, except the one with the higher limit has "less" (more focused) functionalities.

bikegremlin

@MichaelCee said:
Don't really know about a general increase but I'd be happy to see shared hosts posting up to $5/m offers to match the email rules. In my personal case they are exactly the same thing, except the one with the higher limit has "less" (more focused) functionalities.

Your email price limit comment in the thread about the new service/offer is one of the things that got me thinking (not that I'm exceptionally good at it ).

deank

Just make sure to tip your grimreaper.

Tell it that you've seen me, and he will be kinder to your soul.

bikegremlin

@deank said:

and he will be kinder to your soul.

That would beat the point of all my life choices to a great degree.

havoc

Maybe up it by like a buck or two. Inflation and all that

PureVoltage

Not being so low priced for everything I say yay. However, it really depends.

webcraft

Because you mentioned the OGF so many times and this place shouldn't be one that's reacting to the OGF, I think it'd be good to not adopt to their behavior in any form.

vyas

As long as the “$” sign is clearly mentioned to refer to US $, we should be good for now.

Otherwise Zimbaabwe dollars 7 is a perfectly fair pricing limit. Or CAD or SGD or HKD even AUD

Radic

Our best deals are over the limit. Under the current prices, it's the same 10 generation old garbage that most consider loss leaders.

The limits in general are dumb, there are high end configurations that can be an amazing deal. You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

Mason

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

cybertech

slight increases in line with inflation i can agree with, OTOH my (low) income remains pretty much the same, hence LE*

Neoon

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
Our best deals are over the limit. Under the current prices, it's the same 10 generation old garbage that most consider loss leaders.

The limits in general are dumb, there are high end configurations that can be an amazing deal. You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

Sir, Quadranet still sells Core2Quad dedis.

bikegremlin

@cybertech said:
slight increases in line with inflation i can agree with, OTOH my (low) income remains pretty much the same, hence LE*

Incomes didn’t rise over the past few years for most folks in my country.

People usually look for a bike at up to €200.

And I try to recommend the best for the given budget (often used / 2nd hand).

However, the quality at that budget has drastically decreased since before “the flu.”

It is tough.

cybertech

@bikegremlin said:

@cybertech said:
slight increases in line with inflation i can agree with, OTOH my (low) income remains pretty much the same, hence LE*

Incomes didn’t rise over the past few years for most folks in my country.

People usually look for a bike at up to €200.

And I try to recommend the best for the given budget (often used / 2nd hand).

However, the quality at that budget has drastically decreased since before “the flu.”

It is tough.

stagflation has found its way into many countries and it's real tough for everybody. those who joined in "the great resignation" are gonna suffer real soon...

Advin

Honestly, I feel like LES should allow providers to post offers for ranges of products which might include something that isn't in the price range but must include something that is within the price range.

For example, let's say we had the following plans (this is just an example):
1GB for $2/month
2GB for $4/month
3GB for $6/month
4GB for $8/month
5GB for $10/month
etc

Under the existing LES rules, I believe we would only be allowed to advertise 1GB, 2GB, 3GB plans on LES. However, it would probably be beneficial to us to also advertise the bigger plans along with the smaller plans for those who require more resources (so making an offer thread & advertising 1GB, 2GB, 3GB but also advertising 4GB, 5GB, etc since it's part of the same lineup/range of products).

But yes, the current limits are quite limiting for us since we generally specialize in bulk resources for cheap. For example, our recent LES Exclusive thread generated some major interest from the community but it had to be LES exclusive since it doesn't fall into the pricing limits for the normal offers.

Nyr

This is "Low End Spirit" and as such I will go with the conservative view of doing more with less, saying that $7 is fair for a low end VPS.

Also, I see no need to imitate what other places are doing in this regard.

ralf

@Advin said:
Honestly, I feel like LES should allow providers to post offers for ranges of products which might include something that isn't in the price range but must include something that is within the price range.

Most providers seem to solve this by highlighting the ones in the price limit but having a link to all their offers.

I think if the pricing barrier increased much, a lot of providers would focus on their best offering under the limit, which would overall increase the value of the offering, but push out the real low-end stuff and soon there'd be no place for that any more.

Personally, I appreciate the real low-end deals, and I've probably got about 10 different low-end packages mostly so I can test out different processors for my use case. I do also keep an eye out on bigger VPS or dedi offerings, because at some point soon I hope I'll need to expand, and want to have an idea of what's available. It's also a good way to check out on a small scale things like their networking and uptime, without investing too much if they turn out to have problems.

A counter argument is that there seem to be a lot of providers lurking around who never post offers (presumably they're over the thresholds) who only pop up in response to request threads on LET where there's no limit. Maybe some of them are just avoiding the fee, but I also suspect that many of them are targeting mid-end now.

bikegremlin

@webcraft said:
Because you mentioned the OGF so many times and this place shouldn't be one that's reacting to the OGF, I think it'd be good to not adopt to their behavior in any form.

That's a bit black-and-white point of view.
I'm sure they ban (at least some) spammers and trolls - should we stop doing so?

My reference to their price limit was in terms of "another budget / low-end forum" comparison.
Likewise, my suggestion is to go even higher, not to copy them.
And, again - primarily from the shard/reseller hosting offers point of view (as a customer at that).
I can't really tell if the VPS offer limit is high enough.

Having said that - setting the bar too high would beat the point of LES - and I don't claim my opinion is the right one. It's just an opinion, from my point of view.

Related to what @ralf wrote above - it is a strategic decision, not to be taken lightly, for the reasons nicely explained in his post (nothing to add there).

vyas

Many input costs will come down in the coming months thanks to the upcoming recession, while one or more of the elements (electricity and insurance/ Payment processor fees?? for e.g.) will likely stay high.

• Labour
• Hardware (new and offloading of existing inventory)

At the end of the day, the market demand v/s supply dynamics will kick in: and BFCM/ Christmas Sales will be a good indicator.

Jan/ Feb might be a good time to revive this discussion IMO

Radic

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

I disagree here. These old configurations offer a terrible $/performance ratio and don't have much lower to go. It's below colo cost, and are treated as nothing more than a loss leader to convert to higher paying servers.

For example, I can get you a bare bones E3 (8G RAM, HDD or SSD) in the high $20 range, or a fully loaded Ryzen 5600X (128G RAM, 1T PCIe 4.0 NVMe) in the high $80s range. The E3 in this case is a terrible deal.

Plenty of providers don't want to deal in the $20 - $30 range, there's 0 profit there, but they can offer aggressive deals in the profitable range. As software, data center space, and hardware continues to increase in price, this will be the ongoing trend and will eventually kill off or force those super low end providers to deadpool.

So the choice really is here, have the same providers peddling the same hardware for years and years serving a super niche audience, or remove the limits and figure out a way to really create a marketplace where you can get uber aggressive deals without becoming WHT.

bikegremlin

@ReliableSite_Radic said:

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

I disagree here. These old configurations offer a terrible $/performance ratio and don't have much lower to go. It's below colo cost, and are treated as nothing more than a loss leader to convert to higher paying servers.

For example, I can get you a bare bones E3 (8G RAM, HDD or SSD) in the high $20 range, or a fully loaded Ryzen 5600X (128G RAM, 1T PCIe 4.0 NVMe) in the high $80s range. The E3 in this case is a terrible deal.

Plenty of providers don't want to deal in the $20 - $30 range, there's 0 profit there, but they can offer aggressive deals in the profitable range. As software, data center space, and hardware continues to increase in price, this will be the ongoing trend and will eventually kill off or force those super low end providers to deadpool.

So the choice really is here, have the same providers peddling the same hardware for years and years serving a super niche audience, or remove the limits and figure out a way to really create a marketplace where you can get uber aggressive deals without becoming WHT.

Or something in between the two extremes - by adjusting the max. limits, without removing them?

corbpie

Maybe set one day a week where there is no limit. I do agree that deals can be had outside the limits however it also opens it up to normal priced posts.

vyas

@corbpie said:
Maybe set one day a week where there is no limit. I do agree that deals can be had outside the limits however it also opens it up to normal priced posts.

Or first Friday of the month or something

LES exclusive will be a plus

tetech

I did not understand the original post, but I voted.

cybertech

@corbpie said:
Maybe set one day a week where there is no limit. I do agree that deals can be had outside the limits however it also opens it up to normal priced posts.

sounds good actually, LESaturday or something

Radic

@bikegremlin said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

I disagree here. These old configurations offer a terrible $/performance ratio and don't have much lower to go. It's below colo cost, and are treated as nothing more than a loss leader to convert to higher paying servers.

For example, I can get you a bare bones E3 (8G RAM, HDD or SSD) in the high $20 range, or a fully loaded Ryzen 5600X (128G RAM, 1T PCIe 4.0 NVMe) in the high $80s range. The E3 in this case is a terrible deal.

Plenty of providers don't want to deal in the $20 - $30 range, there's 0 profit there, but they can offer aggressive deals in the profitable range. As software, data center space, and hardware continues to increase in price, this will be the ongoing trend and will eventually kill off or force those super low end providers to deadpool.

So the choice really is here, have the same providers peddling the same hardware for years and years serving a super niche audience, or remove the limits and figure out a way to really create a marketplace where you can get uber aggressive deals without becoming WHT.

Or something in between the two extremes - by adjusting the max. limits, without removing them?

Maybe, I think the issue is there's not much of a disparity between LES and LET.

Mason

@ReliableSite_Radic said:

@bikegremlin said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

I disagree here. These old configurations offer a terrible $/performance ratio and don't have much lower to go. It's below colo cost, and are treated as nothing more than a loss leader to convert to higher paying servers.

For example, I can get you a bare bones E3 (8G RAM, HDD or SSD) in the high $20 range, or a fully loaded Ryzen 5600X (128G RAM, 1T PCIe 4.0 NVMe) in the high $80s range. The E3 in this case is a terrible deal.

Plenty of providers don't want to deal in the $20 - $30 range, there's 0 profit there, but they can offer aggressive deals in the profitable range. As software, data center space, and hardware continues to increase in price, this will be the ongoing trend and will eventually kill off or force those super low end providers to deadpool.

So the choice really is here, have the same providers peddling the same hardware for years and years serving a super niche audience, or remove the limits and figure out a way to really create a marketplace where you can get uber aggressive deals without becoming WHT.

Or something in between the two extremes - by adjusting the max. limits, without removing them?

Maybe, I think the issue is there's not much of a disparity between LES and LET.

That is very intentional. The current iteration of LES was a fork or clone or whatever you want to call it of LET. Designed to be very similar with essentially the same rules, same forum software, same target audience, but without all the ColoCrossing/Biloh-endorsed scams and cash grabs.

I get that opening the door to higher priced offers really gives more bang for the buck and the resources per $ ratio increases, but doing so would go against the "doing more with less" philosophy that is ingrained in this place. And I can't really see how we could ever raise the price limits substantially or remove them entirely without becoming WHT where there's just way too much fluff and overpriced garbage to sort through.

vyas

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:

@bikegremlin said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

I disagree here. These old configurations offer a terrible $/performance ratio and don't have much lower to go. It's below colo cost, and are treated as nothing more than a loss leader to convert to higher paying servers.

For example, I can get you a bare bones E3 (8G RAM, HDD or SSD) in the high $20 range, or a fully loaded Ryzen 5600X (128G RAM, 1T PCIe 4.0 NVMe) in the high $80s range. The E3 in this case is a terrible deal.

Plenty of providers don't want to deal in the $20 - $30 range, there's 0 profit there, but they can offer aggressive deals in the profitable range. As software, data center space, and hardware continues to increase in price, this will be the ongoing trend and will eventually kill off or force those super low end providers to deadpool.

So the choice really is here, have the same providers peddling the same hardware for years and years serving a super niche audience, or remove the limits and figure out a way to really create a marketplace where you can get uber aggressive deals without becoming WHT.

Or something in between the two extremes - by adjusting the max. limits, without removing them?

Maybe, I think the issue is there's not much of a disparity between LES and LET.

That is very intentional. The current iteration of LES was a fork or clone or whatever you want to call it of LET. Designed to be very similar with essentially the same rules, same forum software, same target audience, but without all the ColoCrossing/Biloh-endorsed scams and cash grabs.

I get that opening the door to higher priced offers really gives more bang for the buck and the resources per $ ratio increases, but doing so would go against the "doing more with less" philosophy that is ingrained in this place. And I can't really see how we could ever raise the price limits substantially or remove them entirely without becoming WHT where there's just way too much fluff and overpriced garbage to sort through.

But... but I **want ** overpriced low spec deals from Name your favourite shitty overpriced provider here

yoursunny

$7/month is $84/year.
It's already too much.

I have Ryzen or Xeon Gold + 1GB RAM + ≥10GB NVMe for $8.40/year in Dallas and €12/year in Munich and $16/year in Seattle and $20/year in Singapore.
I expect new offers to match these prices.

Shared hosting and dedicated server may be increased to $1000/month.
I don't use them anyway.

legendary

But what if LES introduce expensive, but insanely packed deals? For example:

Newest gen AMD CPUs
From 256GB RAM
From 1 TB NVMe
Minimum 32 IPs
GigE+ pipe, dedicated
500€/month

It is actually pretty hard to find decent deals in the wild. All those cheap, lowend deals are not suitable for prod.

AC_Fan

@legendary said:
But what if LES introduce expensive, but insanely packed deals? For example:

Newest gen AMD CPUs
From 256GB RAM
From 1 TB NVMe
Minimum 32 IPs
GigE+ pipe, dedicated
500€/month

It is actually pretty hard to find decent deals in the wild. All those cheap, lowend deals are not suitable for prod.

Searched for those specifications on ServerHunter, OVH has multiple options around 200 dollars, and if the IP requirement can be relaxed, there's always Hetzner. Also, WHT has good deals from WebNX etc.

All in all, I wouldn't mind some relaxation of the limits, but this is LowEnd, and we shouldn't lose sight of that.

ralf

@Mason said:
That is very intentional. The current iteration of LES was a fork or clone or whatever you want to call it of LET. Designed to be very similar with essentially the same rules, same forum software, same target audience, but without all the ColoCrossing/Biloh-endorsed scams and cash grabs.

I think it's slightly ironic if it was a fork that this forum has a nice clean feel and LET looks so janky in comparison. Also nice that the conversation here is generally more civil even when it's the same people doing the chatting, although that can also be a downside as it's nice to partake in the occasionally trolling at LET.

FrankZ

I'm fine with LES just staying LES, otherwise what is the point?

chris

How about same rules, But a premium category where we still get low priced deals but on better hardware or services

Many companies are put off because they can't offer a good service AND a good product for $7. I'm not saying throw out the rulebook but I'd never attempt to compete in this market because I couldn't provide the service I want to at these limits. Next year we're launching something I'd love to advertise here but at the existing prices its not going to be viable

I love the community, I lurked since inception due to working for a company that didnt want us on any of the forums (specifically OGF) but it doesn't feel like a bad idea to add a premium category!

elliotc

@Advin said:
Honestly, I feel like LES should allow providers to post offers for ranges of products which might include something that isn't in the price range but must include something that is within the price range.

For example, let's say we had the following plans (this is just an example):
1GB for $2/month
2GB for $4/month
3GB for $6/month
4GB for $8/month
5GB for $10/month
etc

Under the existing LES rules, I believe we would only be allowed to advertise 1GB, 2GB, 3GB plans on LES. However, it would probably be beneficial to us to also advertise the bigger plans along with the smaller plans for those who require more resources (so making an offer thread & advertising 1GB, 2GB, 3GB but also advertising 4GB, 5GB, etc since it's part of the same lineup/range of products).

But yes, the current limits are quite limiting for us since we generally specialize in bulk resources for cheap. For example, our recent LES Exclusive thread generated some major interest from the community but it had to be LES exclusive since it doesn't fall into the pricing limits for the normal offers.

Reasonable idea, but still need a cap for the price. Here is lowend after all, and the spirit is do more with less. Not only money but also resources.

yoursunny

@elliotc said:

@Advin said:
Under the existing LES rules, I believe we would only be allowed to advertise 1GB, 2GB, 3GB plans on LES. However, it would probably be beneficial to us to also advertise the bigger plans along with the smaller plans for those who require more resources

our recent LES Exclusive thread generated some major interest from the community but it had to be LES exclusive since it doesn't fall into the pricing limits for the normal offers.

Reasonable idea, but still need a cap for the price. Here is lowend after all, and the spirit is do more with less. Not only money but also resources.

Given the existence of LES exclusive category that has no pricing limits, it should be enough.
The "exclusive" requirement just restricts exactly same offer.
You could post a similar offer elsewhere that differs by $0.01 price or differs by 1MB disk capacity, which would not violate exclusive rules.

zxrlha

$7/month is already a lot.

Mason

@yoursunny said:
...which would not violate exclusive rules.

While technically true, this would certainly not being in the spirit of what that category is for.

@chris said:
How about same rules, But a premium category where we still get low priced deals but on better hardware or services

Might be possible, but I don't think we'd want to detract too much from the bread and butter $7 or less offers. Maybe a happy medium would be to add a category with way relaxed pricing rules, but wouldn't be listed on the main page's list of threads -- meaning you'd need to hit a link in the menu or perhaps a new sidebar widget that lists out the latest offers? Just spitballing here.

ralf

Maybe let providers offer what they like, but at least every other offer has to be within the price range (and a reasonable quantity so they don't just have a limit of 1).

chris

Might be possible, but I don't think we'd want to detract too much from the bread and butter $7 or less offers. Maybe a happy medium would be to add a category with way relaxed pricing rules, but wouldn't be listed on the main page's list of threads -- meaning you'd need to hit a link in the menu or perhaps a new sidebar widget that lists out the latest offers? Just spitballing here.

Yes, I like that! And also @ralf idea! Yeah, It's all just throwing ideas out there! I certainly don't want to see LES lose touch with it's roots but I also don't want to read the same offers from the same companies we all know will deadpool or sell eventually

yoursunny

@ralf said:
Maybe let providers offer what they like, but at least every other offer has to be within the price range (and a reasonable quantity so they don't just have a limit of 1).

I think it's reasonable to have higher priced offers, as long as the same product line also contains lower priced offers.
Same product line means same CPU model, RAM kind, disk kind, locations; they can only differ in quantity.
It doesn't have to be "every other offer".
There should still be a final upper bound, such as $24/month.

Good:

• Ryzen 2GB: $4/month
• Ryzen 4GB: $7/month
• Ryzen 8GB: $12/month

Good:

• Storage 1TB: $6/month
• Storage 2TB: $11/month
• Storage 4TB: $20/month

Not good: (not same product line)

• Ryzen 2GB: $4/month
• Storage 2TB: $11/month
• Storage 4TB: $20/month

Not good: (different location, so not same product line)

• Dallas 1GB: $3/month
• Dallas 2GB: $6/month
• Singapore 4GB: $15/month

Not good: (no low price offer)

• Ryzen 6GB: $9/month
• Ryzen 8GB: $12/month
• Ryzen 10GB: $15/month

vyas

@yoursunny said:

@ralf said:
Maybe let providers offer what they like, but at least every other offer has to be within the price range (and a reasonable quantity so they don't just have a limit of 1).

I think it's reasonable to have higher priced offers, as long as the same product line also contains lower priced offers.
Same product line means same CPU model, RAM kind, disk kind, locations; they can only differ in quantity.
It doesn't have to be "every other offer".
There should still be a final upper bound, such as $24/month.

Good:

• Ryzen 2GB: $4/month
• Ryzen 4GB: $7/month
• Ryzen 8GB: $12/month

Good:

• Storage 1TB: $6/month
• Storage 2TB: $11/month
• Storage 4TB: $20/month

Not good: (not same product line)

• Ryzen 2GB: $4/month
• Storage 2TB: $11/month
• Storage 4TB: $20/month

Not good: (different location, so not same product line)

• Dallas 1GB: $3/month
• Dallas 2GB: $6/month
• Singapore 4GB: $15/month

Not good: (no low price offer)

• Ryzen 6GB: $9/month
• Ryzen 8GB: $12/month
• Ryzen 10GB: $15/month

Same specs for chicken in Singapore, Tokyo, Mumbai, Sydney and HK but $7 premium because “bandwidth is expensive “

yoursunny

@vyas said:

@yoursunny said:
Not good: (different location, so not same product line)

• Dallas 1GB: $3/month
• Dallas 2GB: $6/month
• Singapore 4GB: $15/month

Same specs for chicken in Singapore, Tokyo, Mumbai, Sydney and HK but $7 premium because “bandwidth is expensive “

Good: (at least one offer in Singapore within $7; other locations are irrelevant)

• Dallas 1GB RAM 1TB bandwidth: $4/month
• Dallas 2GB RAM 2TB bandwidth: $7/month
• Dallas 4GB RAM 4TB bandwidth: $12/month
• Singapore 1GB RAM 500GB bandwidth: $5/month
• Singapore 2GB RAM 1TB bandwidth: $9/month
• Singapore 4GB RAM 2TB bandwidth: $15/month

Good: (one product line with two locations, first plan within $7, limited bonus)

• 1GB RAM 500GB bandwidth: $5/month
• 2GB RAM 1TB bandwidth: $9/month
• 4GB RAM 2TB bandwidth: $15/month
• offer available in Dallas and Singapore
• comment order number for double bandwidth, applicable in Dallas only

james50a

Is say pricing should be based on offerings. Don't think anyone really buys based on minimum price but moreso recources/$. Maybe have like storage offer have to beat x$/tb kinda thing

vyas

I did a quick scan of the offers and could see
“can we stack?”
Kind of enquiries or
“can we upgrade in future?”
Type of queries.

About 1 in every 3 offers have such questions.

So maybe there is appetite to pay more but providers are restricted in HW combination because of price cap.

Overall,

Most popular types of questions however remain:

Benchmarks?
LG?
Recurring offer ?

Btw:

Dipstick check for offer posts on OGF:
Questions that are more popular include-

BGP?
DMCA?
Crypto?

So the audience may be similar between the two green forums but distinct flavours in sub sections.

Radic

@vyas said:

But... but I **want ** overpriced low spec deals from Name your favourite shitty overpriced provider here

You need to think outside the box. Maybe something like a voting system by members, similar to how slickdeals does it?

PureVoltage

Not being so low priced for everything I say yay. However, it really depends. > @ReliableSite_Radic said:

@Mason said:

@ReliableSite_Radic said:
You're doing nothing but limiting target audiences with artificial limits.

I mean... that's the entire point of LE*. Otherwise we'd just be WebHostingSpirit instead of LowEndSpirit

I disagree here. These old configurations offer a terrible $/performance ratio and don't have much lower to go. It's below colo cost, and are treated as nothing more than a loss leader to convert to higher paying servers.

For example, I can get you a bare bones E3 (8G RAM, HDD or SSD) in the high $20 range, or a fully loaded Ryzen 5600X (128G RAM, 1T PCIe 4.0 NVMe) in the high $80s range. The E3 in this case is a terrible deal.

Plenty of providers don't want to deal in the $20 - $30 range, there's 0 profit there, but they can offer aggressive deals in the profitable range. As software, data center space, and hardware continues to increase in price, this will be the ongoing trend and will eventually kill off or force those super low end providers to deadpool.

So the choice really is here, have the same providers peddling the same hardware for years and years serving a super niche audience, or remove the limits and figure out a way to really create a marketplace where you can get uber aggressive deals without becoming WHT.

This was the problem we started to notice back when the E3's used to sell for $225+ years ago. Personally even renting some E3's out for the $55 range isn't typically worth wild even for us. We offer it for existing customers who need a lower end system who want it for a firewall or some other type of service.

After taking in the bare costs of colo being at the least $20+ on a low end system it's just hard to justify doing something so low. Personally we try not doing much under the $75 range when possible. Even more so with larger power hungry systems such as dual E5-2680v3/4's etc. The bad part is they perform just as good typically as a lot of scalable systems which are newer and far more costly.

I think the limits should more so depend on maybe VPS's which you can bash out some of those quite cheap while still providing a good service.
Dedicated and colo on the other hand there are some great offerings to have but might be a little above the current budgets.

We don't typically post on here due to some of the price limits and just being a bit lazy. It's more of a check out some posts every few days and see what's happening in the community.

vyas

For those who believe LES will turn into a WHT if price caps are revised, I respect your opinion. And I believe in doing More with LES (pun intended).

But till the time prices on LES match such mad levels, why are we un necessarily worried?

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@vyas said:
For those who believe LES will turn into a WHT if price caps are revised, I respect your opinion. And I believe in doing More with LES (pun intended).

That's the main issue, I think people are rightly worried of it becoming a different place than we all know and enjoy. I think everyone has the same end goal but have varying ways to achieve it!

But till the time prices on LES match such mad levels, why are we un necessarily worried?

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There's certainly a market for it! I will be the first honest person to say if people would pay it - I'd charge it lol