Not to familier with caddy. Tried out lighttpd, but liked nginx more (personal preference); mainly cause nginx supports reverse proxies with more options.
I Caddy. Started using it recently for my immich as a Reversezproxy. Super efficient. Works seamlessly on multi OS... auto LetsEncrypt ssl with renewal. And it just works.
Nothing wrong with low-low-end offers. However, there are a few things that are problematic with C1V, some of which are of a linguistic nature:
A low-low-end offer is not a flash sale. A flash sale is to offer a product with a large discount in price, not performance. C1V offers products that are "you get what you pay for" or worse.
A restock is not adding more VMs in an existing node, a restock is adding more nodes. C1V presents overselling as restocking.
A datacenter is not a garage. C1V presents their garage as a high end datacenter and the company as multi-person entity (which, while theoretically possible, is in practice a one-man show)
Limiting CPU performance based on any linear or non-linear function, is not AI. C1V presents idiotic CPU throttling techniques as sophisticated technology.
And other examples like playing with words, for example:
"Don't order this server if you expect high performance as this is a low-end offering."
Where it should read:
"Don't order this server if you expect ̶h̶i̶g̶h̶ normal performance as this is a low-end offering."
And there are very similar cheap "marketing" techniques and lies and signs of arrogance in many threads, and the whole thing has become comical.
At the end of the day, it's a free market but it's easy to understand why so many people are frustrated with C1V who feel that are being fooled or mislead
Now a few more things for kids like C1V to consider before entering in this business (hello Captain Obvious)
Downtime is unaccepted even the service is free. Uptime has nothing to do with the price, but with the very fact that is a service.
Low end offers are not bad or "cheap' services. Low end offers are targeting people with knowledge and experience to setup stable and fault tolerant systems without needing any support.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
@somik said: If you want premium service, pay premium. Go with AWS, Oracle cloud, or Azure. Don't loiter around LES/LET and go with random no-bodies offering bargain basement prices.
That's a strawman argument I am willing to challenge anytime.
People at LES/LET don't look for premium service - we are looking to pay as little as possible for a DECENT (decent != premium) service. And in most cases, with some common sense, we succeed.
Not all LES/LET hosts are completely terrible just because we don't overpay for service. In fact, we find here many decent, responsible hosting companies who know what they are doing and do it quite well.
And then there are some completely incompetent, often lying charlatans, unable to deliver even semi-usable service. What you're doing in your failed arguments is equating LES/LET with those charlatans instead of the decent low-cost hosts we use on a daily basis. Please don't do that.
@somik said: If you want premium service, pay premium. Go with AWS, Oracle cloud, or Azure. Don't loiter around LES/LET and go with random no-bodies offering bargain basement prices.
That's a strawman argument I am willing to challenge anytime.
People at LES/LET don't look for premium service - we are looking to pay as little as possible for a DECENT (decent != premium) service. And in most cases, with some common sense, we succeed.
Not all LES/LET hosts are completely terrible just because we don't overpay for service.
In fact, we find here many decent, responsible hosting companies who know what they are doing and do it quite well.
Here is one example of premium network from a low end provider
Location Latency Loss DL Speed UP Speed Server
Amsterdam, NL 8.00 ms 0.0% 6614.78 Mbps 8717.90 Mbps Melbicom - Amsterdam
London, UK 8.15 ms 0.0% 6911.66 Mbps 8811.76 Mbps M247 Ltd - London
Paris, FR 8.46 ms N/A 6378.50 Mbps 4547.36 Mbps ORANGE FRANCE - Paris
Manchester, UK 9.03 ms N/A 5963.46 Mbps 8183.64 Mbps Vodafone UK - Manchester
Eygelshoen, NL 9.76 ms 0.0% 5989.33 Mbps 2900.63 Mbps SkyLink Data Center BV - Eygelshoven
Dublin, IE 11.32 ms 0.0% 6481.77 Mbps 6457.92 Mbps Three Ireland - Dublin
And then there are some completely incompetent, often lying charlatans, unable to deliver even semi-usable service.
What you're doing in your failed arguments is equating LES/LET with those charlatans instead of the decent low-cost hosts we use on a daily basis. Please don't do that.
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@somik said: If you want premium service, pay premium. Go with AWS, Oracle cloud, or Azure. Don't loiter around LES/LET and go with random no-bodies offering bargain basement prices.
That's a strawman argument I am willing to challenge anytime.
People at LES/LET don't look for premium service - we are looking to pay as little as possible for a DECENT (decent != premium) service. And in most cases, with some common sense, we succeed.
Not all LES/LET hosts are completely terrible just because we don't overpay for service. In fact, we find here many decent, responsible hosting companies who know what they are doing and do it quite well.
And then there are some completely incompetent, often lying charlatans, unable to deliver even semi-usable service. What you're doing in your failed arguments is equating LES/LET with those charlatans instead of the decent low-cost hosts we use on a daily basis. Please don't do that.
I am not saying all LES/LET hosts are bad. What I am saying is that c1v's prices are bargain basement, along with his services. He is not charging you the same as other hosts and offering you bad service. He is providing you bad service at low low prices.
There aren't any "decent" host at these prices that offers better service.
@somik said: There aren't any "decent" host at these prices that offers better service.
Do you even care about what you actually get for your money, or are the numbers listed in the offers the only factors that interest you?
You can get more out of a semi-decent 1-2 GB memory VPS than C1V specs VPS, so...? There are PLENTY of hosts that offer way way better value for our money.
This has nothing to do with our unrealistic expectations of a premium service for peanuts, but rather about hosts' responsible approach toward the service they are selling.
I hate to compare hosts, as everyone has their own uniqueness, but still, for the sake of argument... without cherry picking (that's most likely not even the best deal I got among 40 & something VPSes I have) 4GB memory VPS with nearly 100% uptime, instant ticket response (those things have some value too, right?) ... and those resources for around $13,30/year:
Big numbers mean nothing if the service is so bad that you can't utilize them. They're just words on paper for people who don't know any better. But we are around long enough to know it better, right?
Even shitty 8gb memory abomination from Awmbilisim for $14,00/year perform better than my both back then more expensive C1V VPSes did - and that's not really a compliment. I would not recomment that one to anyone as well.
There aren't any "decent" host at these prices that offers better service.
I believe, for example , my $15 / year service with 1vCore Ryzen 7950x VPS is much better than €10 VPS. And that VPS is strong enough to be running Windows RDP and SQL Server database engine.
Overall plus points, much better computing power (GB5 score), stability, data rate, and online ticket based support system.
And this VPS is “worse than potato” provider’s own words.
Personally I don’t care if the data center is a premium or economy data center, but if provider claims leading and premium data center, he should be able to back his claim.
I had $15/year VPS from c1v that was pretty powerful and “deal” on paper
3 vCore
3.2 GB memory
1 TB HDD storage
And I managed to install Windows Server OS on it. It was working pretty good, I even shared screenshots.
But then stability factor kicked in.
All of sudden the data rate will go down to crawling speed that c1v blamed on ddos attacks and he accepted that this can (and will) occur at random times.
Power issues, where days of services were lost in 2023 end. I never got email for service extension for time lost.
Good thing is that he “allowed” me to transfer the service to someone who was looking for cheap storage with Windows RDP.
The service was transferred and buyer requested me not to reload linux os again (c1v offers limited os templates) as he was not sure how much time and effort will be needed to install Windows OS again.
I left the Windows OS as it is.
And it is, probably, among rare VPS on that $15 / year 1 TB storage offer that is being used as Windows RDP.
Lack of stability and proper online support were my reasons of letting it go.
Thank you, c1v, for allowing to me transfer that VPS service to another buyer.
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@somik said: There aren't any "decent" host at these prices that offers better service.
Do you even care about what you actually get for your money, or are the numbers listed in the offers the only factors that interest you?
Not really. I usually play with them on the first 1 to 2 days and then leave them to idle. I had a yearly server that I did not know existed till I got the renewal reminder...
He is providing you bad service at low low prices.
I agree with your statement 100%
Glad you see what I said. I never said he is good. He may be as bad as (if not worse then) the Roman basement host we had in a few years back. But his prices are also that low as well. Cant expect much if the prices dont even cover the disk/bandwidth...
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Especially this last point baffles me. Several well respected members of this community, such as @Neoon , have indicated to have services at C1v that they're satisfied with. So it seems that c1vhosting does know how to provide 'proper' hosting services. However, he deliberately chooses to provide dreadful performance for his 'flash' sale package. But why? Flash sales, like you rightfully said, aren't a free pass to provide piss-poor performance. Neither is the 'get out of jail, free card' line 'Don't order this server if you expect high performance as this is a low-end offering.'. So what's the whole idea behind those 'flash' sales? Get more clients on paper to keep his mom shareholders happy?
Moreover, in the end this will only hurt your reputation; no way in hell that I will buy another service offering from c1vhosting nor will I recommend it to anyone, based on the experience I had with my flash sale package.
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What about Caddy (@yoursunny ) or lighttpd ?
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That would explain why HR keeps reminding of DEI
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Not to familier with caddy. Tried out lighttpd, but liked nginx more (personal preference); mainly cause nginx supports reverse proxies with more options.
Websites have ads, I have ad-blocker.
Is your domain expired?
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Caddy. Started using it recently for my immich as a Reversezproxy. Super efficient. Works seamlessly on multi OS... auto LetsEncrypt ssl with renewal. And it just works.
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Nothing wrong with low-low-end offers. However, there are a few things that are problematic with C1V, some of which are of a linguistic nature:
And other examples like playing with words, for example:
"Don't order this server if you expect high performance as this is a low-end offering."
Where it should read:
"Don't order this server if you expect ̶h̶i̶g̶h̶ normal performance as this is a low-end offering."
And there are very similar cheap "marketing" techniques and lies and signs of arrogance in many threads, and the whole thing has become comical.
At the end of the day, it's a free market but it's easy to understand why so many people are frustrated with C1V who feel that are being fooled or mislead
Now a few more things for kids like C1V to consider before entering in this business (hello Captain Obvious)
That's a strawman argument I am willing to challenge anytime.
People at LES/LET don't look for premium service - we are looking to pay as little as possible for a DECENT (decent != premium) service. And in most cases, with some common sense, we succeed.
Not all LES/LET hosts are completely terrible just because we don't overpay for service. In fact, we find here many decent, responsible hosting companies who know what they are doing and do it quite well.
And then there are some completely incompetent, often lying charlatans, unable to deliver even semi-usable service. What you're doing in your failed arguments is equating LES/LET with those charlatans instead of the decent low-cost hosts we use on a daily basis. Please don't do that.
The minimum requirement for SQL Server Express Edition for Linux (free for even commercial usage) requires
Based on this c1v €10 VPS should be ok. Well it is not.
However with most other low end providers, it is not an issue.
PS: SQL Server Express Database Server for Windows has lower memory requirements.
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Here is one example of premium network from a low end provider
OVH and NIC.it must be lying then
I am not saying all LES/LET hosts are bad. What I am saying is that c1v's prices are bargain basement, along with his services. He is not charging you the same as other hosts and offering you bad service. He is providing you bad service at low low prices.
There aren't any "decent" host at these prices that offers better service.
Websites have ads, I have ad-blocker.
Waiting for @FatGrizzly to grab c1vhosting.it domain as soon as it expires and turn it into a rip site.
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Do you even care about what you actually get for your money, or are the numbers listed in the offers the only factors that interest you?
You can get more out of a semi-decent 1-2 GB memory VPS than C1V specs VPS, so...? There are PLENTY of hosts that offer way way better value for our money.
This has nothing to do with our unrealistic expectations of a premium service for peanuts, but rather about hosts' responsible approach toward the service they are selling.
I hate to compare hosts, as everyone has their own uniqueness, but still, for the sake of argument... without cherry picking (that's most likely not even the best deal I got among 40 & something VPSes I have) 4GB memory VPS with nearly 100% uptime, instant ticket response (those things have some value too, right?) ... and those resources for around $13,30/year:
Big numbers mean nothing if the service is so bad that you can't utilize them. They're just words on paper for people who don't know any better. But we are around long enough to know it better, right?
Even shitty 8gb memory abomination from Awmbilisim for $14,00/year perform better than my both back then more expensive C1V VPSes did - and that's not really a compliment. I would not recomment that one to anyone as well.
I believe, for example , my $15 / year service with 1vCore Ryzen 7950x VPS is much better than €10 VPS. And that VPS is strong enough to be running Windows RDP and SQL Server database engine.
Overall plus points, much better computing power (GB5 score), stability, data rate, and online ticket based support system.
And this VPS is “worse than potato” provider’s own words.
Personally I don’t care if the data center is a premium or economy data center, but if provider claims leading and premium data center, he should be able to back his claim.
I had $15/year VPS from c1v that was pretty powerful and “deal” on paper
3 vCore
3.2 GB memory
1 TB HDD storage
And I managed to install Windows Server OS on it. It was working pretty good, I even shared screenshots.
But then stability factor kicked in.
All of sudden the data rate will go down to crawling speed that c1v blamed on ddos attacks and he accepted that this can (and will) occur at random times.
Power issues, where days of services were lost in 2023 end. I never got email for service extension for time lost.
Good thing is that he “allowed” me to transfer the service to someone who was looking for cheap storage with Windows RDP.
The service was transferred and buyer requested me not to reload linux os again (c1v offers limited os templates) as he was not sure how much time and effort will be needed to install Windows OS again.
I left the Windows OS as it is.
And it is, probably, among rare VPS on that $15 / year 1 TB storage offer that is being used as Windows RDP.
Lack of stability and proper online support were my reasons of letting it go.
Thank you, c1v, for allowing to me transfer that VPS service to another buyer.
I agree with your statement 100%
Tier-3 infrastructure design, no downtime, notice a reboot.
Past-future-now old man.
Haven't bought a single service in VirMach Great Ryzen 2022 - 2023 Flash Sale.
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MS SQL Server 2019 Express Edition running on $1.35/month VPS
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so, reboot by design too?
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Reboot versus autoboot
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I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Not really. I usually play with them on the first 1 to 2 days and then leave them to idle. I had a yearly server that I did not know existed till I got the renewal reminder...
Glad you see what I said. I never said he is good. He may be as bad as (if not worse then) the Roman basement host we had in a few years back. But his prices are also that low as well. Cant expect much if the prices dont even cover the disk/bandwidth...
Tier-3™ Rebooot™ with max Doowntime™
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It's like buying a beautiful package filled with excrement
@itsdeadjim the nail on the head, couldn't agree more. Excellent write up!
Especially this last point baffles me. Several well respected members of this community, such as @Neoon , have indicated to have services at C1v that they're satisfied with. So it seems that c1vhosting does know how to provide 'proper' hosting services. However, he deliberately chooses to provide dreadful performance for his 'flash' sale package. But why? Flash sales, like you rightfully said, aren't a free pass to provide piss-poor performance. Neither is the 'get out of jail, free card' line 'Don't order this server if you expect high performance as this is a low-end offering.'. So what's the whole idea behind those 'flash' sales? Get more clients on paper to keep his mom shareholders happy?
Moreover, in the end this will only hurt your reputation; no way in hell that I will buy another service offering from c1vhosting nor will I recommend it to anyone, based on the experience I had with my flash sale package.
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