IPv6 now seems working again in Hillsboro for me as well.
The link-local IPv6 router address on NetBSD has been statically configured, and the address seems to have changed.
If the link-local IPv6 router address changes again, maybe I could have fun trying NetBSD's dhcpcd(8) to build the route dynamically. . . .
Thanks again @david3! Thanks to @AnthonySmith for TierHive! Lots of Low End fun!
Best wishes and kindest regards!
Tom
hil# date
Sun Jul 12 19:14:24 UTC 2026
hil# uptime
7:14PM up 1 min, 1 user, load averages: 0.13, 0.04, 0.01
hil# ping6 -c 2 ipv6.google.com
PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) [hil] --> 2607:f8b0:4023:100d::64
16 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4023:100d::64, icmp_seq=0 hlim=102 time=57.382 ms
16 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4023:100d::64, icmp_seq=1 hlim=102 time=57.291 ms
--- ipv6.l.google.com ping6 statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 57.291/57.337/57.382/0.064 ms
hil#
I'm using Alpine, and I didn't do anything special to statically configure the link-local address. I think that is auto configured. This is my /etc/network/interfaces:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 10.1.80.10/24
dns-nameservers 76.76.2.2 76.76.10.2
post-up ip route add default via 10.1.80.1 || true
pre-down ip route del default via 10.1.80.1 || true
iface eth0 inet6 static
address {ipv6-address}
gateway {ipv6-gateway}
IPv6 now seems working again in Hillsboro for me as well.
The link-local IPv6 router address on NetBSD has been statically configured, and the address seems to have changed.
If the link-local IPv6 router address changes again, maybe I could have fun trying NetBSD's dhcpcd(8) to build the route dynamically. . . .
I'm using Alpine, and I didn't do anything special to statically configure the link-local address. I think that is auto configured. This is my /etc/network/interfaces:
When I last tried NetBSD on TierHive, the IPv6 configuration as shown in the panel for IPv6 didn't work, but using the link-local address of the router instead made it work. Maybe I was just unlucky at that time and there was some general IPv6 issue on TierHive or there was a compatibility issue between NetBSD and how TierHive has configured IPv6. There are just too many unknowns.
@WSS said:
$ ping 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1
PING 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1 (2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1) 56 data bytes
From 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::70 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
ping: sendmsg: No route to host
Vint Hill again.
thanks, stand by.
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IPv6 now seems working again in Hillsboro for me as well.
The link-local IPv6 router address on NetBSD has been statically configured, and the address seems to have changed.
If the link-local IPv6 router address changes again, maybe I could have fun trying NetBSD's dhcpcd(8) to build the route dynamically. . . .
I'm using Alpine, and I didn't do anything special to statically configure the link-local address. I think that is auto configured. This is my /etc/network/interfaces:
When I last tried NetBSD on TierHive, the IPv6 configuration as shown in the panel for IPv6 didn't work, but using the link-local address of the router instead made it work. Maybe I was just unlucky at that time and there was some general IPv6 issue on TierHive or there was a compatibility issue between NetBSD and how TierHive has configured IPv6. There are just too many unknowns.
Honestly, we were just talking about it yesterday, Ipv6 was kind of forced in to alpha before we were ready because so much noise was made about ipv6.
In hindsight, it was a huge mistake, in the end I could not make it work as I wanted with the restrictions we have right now, on top of that only 1.8% of people even allocate a /64 the actual use figure is way lower.
It has periods of shameful stability as a result of us not having enough control, and it is by far the biggest management and ticket burden, that is in part our fault, but its not a problem we can easily fix. Mostly, people just open a ticket saying their IPv6 did not auto-configure and then people need lessons on how to do it, or reports of it being down and actually its not but that launches a full investigation.
So really, we have kind of backed ourselves into a corner, but for such a tiny amount of tthe customer base actually really using it, we are thinking about cutting our losses before we make things worse and dropping IPv6, we would obviously refund any credit to anyone that bought credit because we have IPv6 and then relaunching IPv6 properly when we finish our own ASN registration and have our own range that we can directly manage rather than relying on to many external and uncontroable factors.
This has not been fully decided yet, but honestly, it will probably go this way.
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@WSS said:
$ ping 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1
PING 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1 (2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1) 56 data bytes
From 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::70 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
ping: sendmsg: No route to host
Vint Hill again.
thanks, stand by.
fixed
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If IPv6 is becoming such a headache- just turn it off and tell people "Later." - It'd be annoying for me, but I can live with NAT since the whole point is a backup running through HAProxy anyhow.
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IPv6 now seems working again in Hillsboro for me as well.
The link-local IPv6 router address on NetBSD has been statically configured, and the address seems to have changed.
If the link-local IPv6 router address changes again, maybe I could have fun trying NetBSD's dhcpcd(8) to build the route dynamically. . . .
I'm using Alpine, and I didn't do anything special to statically configure the link-local address. I think that is auto configured. This is my /etc/network/interfaces:
When I last tried NetBSD on TierHive, the IPv6 configuration as shown in the panel for IPv6 didn't work, but using the link-local address of the router instead made it work. Maybe I was just unlucky at that time and there was some general IPv6 issue on TierHive or there was a compatibility issue between NetBSD and how TierHive has configured IPv6. There are just too many unknowns.
Honestly, we were just talking about it yesterday, Ipv6 was kind of forced in to alpha before we were ready because so much noise was made about ipv6.
In hindsight, it was a huge mistake, in the end I could not make it work as I wanted with the restrictions we have right now, on top of that only 1.8% of people even allocate a /64 the actual use figure is way lower.
It has periods of shameful stability as a result of us not having enough control, and it is by far the biggest management and ticket burden, that is in part our fault, but its not a problem we can easily fix. Mostly, people just open a ticket saying their IPv6 did not auto-configure and then people need lessons on how to do it, or reports of it being down and actually its not but that launches a full investigation.
So really, we have kind of backed ourselves into a corner, but for such a tiny amount of tthe customer base actually really using it, we are thinking about cutting our losses before we make things worse and dropping IPv6, we would obviously refund any credit to anyone that bought credit because we have IPv6 and then relaunching IPv6 properly when we finish our own ASN registration and have our own range that we can directly manage rather than relying on to many external and uncontroable factors.
This has not been fully decided yet, but honestly, it will probably go this way.
We can vouch for NetBSD being kind of hard with the IPv6 addresses. Our attempts at providing a usable template with IPv6 were among the hardest we've done for any OS on the new panel. It's hard, indeed.
You will really want to have a go at DHCPv6 to reduce tickets and increase reliability, and to test and test and re-test provisioning: sometimes it failed in different ways just because it could...
Honestly I stopped using tierhive cause of the ipv6 issues as well. The latency for IPv6 is higher thæn normal, auto configuration doesn't work and even after manual configuration, some US regions IPv6 did not work. Well, hope it'll get better once it's out of alpha...
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I've been using tierhive for a while now and I'm amazed with the service, it's been more stable than quite a few "production ready" hosts. Is there a reason, however, that you charge VAT even for customers outside EU? It's a minor thing really, but I've never seen it done before.
@kickinit68 said:
I've been using tierhive for a while now and I'm amazed with the service, it's been more stable than quite a few "production ready" hosts. Is there a reason, however, that you charge VAT even for customers outside EU? It's a minor thing really, but I've never seen it done before.
We use a merchant of record, FastSpring. Technically, you are their customer, not ours, and FastSpring is our only customer; this allows us to not require any of your personal data.
They detect your location during checkout based on your IP and the details you enter, and they charge you the VAT or tax rate of your local country, or state, fastSpring then pay all taxes on our behalf, making our bookkeeping and accounting incredibly simple.
Similar to paddle, lemonsqueezy and a few others, we found that FastSpring was the most "human" company to work with in the end even though the rate is slightly higher per transaction, the additional fees cost less than a part-time bookkeeper and accountant meaning I can do everything myself and keep the operating costs lower and you guys get a lower price.
So You were only charged VAT if you are in a country that has a standard VAT rate and you were charged at your country's VAT rate, the VAT you paid was then given to your government directly
I hope that clarifies.
Obviously, if you are hiding your location well, then this is also a side effect: you are charged the VAT rate of the location you are hiding in IP address-wise and you are acting as a tax proxy for that contry, and I am sure they will thank you for it
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Payments, tagging @ehab as he initially got me started on this bit:
Amount is now shown as an estimate in GBP, EUR and USD, live.
Also, you can now redeem a coupon in the same place, hopefully making that less disjointed.
We removed the need for an account to be a certain age to use a coupon, and using a coupon now activates a subnet and mesh for you as an end user, just like an actual payment; there is no need to open a support ticket.
The token amount in the header bar now link to the billing page.
Other stuff:
We untied the VPS from the recipe it was deployed on, meaning when you reinstall, you just reinstall; it does not deploy the recipe again.
Apart from that, the latest tranche of work was almost all admin side, a lot around improving HAProxy sensitivity, a final push (make or break) for IPv6 stability, and a bit of added logic in the haproxy side to avoid SSL generation failures.
Was passed 10000 total customers a while back (in terms of registrations) but it was a busy week so it just happened without being noticed, keep in mind we delete accounts that are considered dormant with no active service or activity, still in batches, still manually as we keep finding exceptions to account for so dont want to risk the automation yet, which actuall puts us at around the 5000 mark in terms of what we consider to be live active customers (Have credit, active service now or within the last 90 days)
We turned off the free tokens on the 3rd July, signups slowed by around 30% which was to be expected, however node loads also dropped by around the same amount and remained there while daily average takings remained exactly on track, we will probably open up the free trial credit again anyway for periods of time when appropriate but we will also likely restrict the available locations and services for the free tokens.
Looking for new locations all the time, if anyone has any suggestions along with hosts to consider (dedicated or VDS only please), always let us know, if you are a host and you think it's worth a chat about a location then drop me a PM.
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Extra resources added to singapore, available to add VPS now, the load balancers will put every new VPS on the new node for a while if anyone wants or needs a second IP in SG.
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason TLS termination being done via HAProxy?
Security wise it's worse, just because it's an additional point of attack. Performance wise... well, it is better for VPS itself to not handle decryption, but difference is negligible if we are not talking about millions and millions connections, which could be really strange for the TierHive.
And adding to the "ipv6 was a mistake" topic - it's much less convenient for double stack setups if TLS terminated via reverse proxy. You have to make different sections for ipv4 and ipv6 in w/e web-server you use.
As far as I know HAProxy is capable of prereading SNI w/o termination. So I don't really understand why.
And, to be clear, it's absolutely not an issue for me. Pure curiosity.
@Scioner said:
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason TLS termination being done via HAProxy?
Security wise it's worse, just because it's an additional point of attack. Performance wise... well, it is better for VPS itself to not handle decryption, but difference is negligible if we are not talking about millions and millions connections, which could be really strange for the TierHive.
And adding to the "ipv6 was a mistake" topic - it's much less convenient for double stack setups if TLS terminated via reverse proxy. You have to make different sections for ipv4 and ipv6 in w/e web-server you use.
As far as I know HAProxy is capable of prereading SNI w/o termination. So I don't really understand why.
And, to be clear, it's absolutely not an issue for me. Pure curiosity.
Honestly, it was just a scale vs expectations thing, we expected maybe a few hundred customers over a year or so, we got that in a week, it was based on old NAT LowEndSpirit numbers and methods, before LES was a forum, this also lets us handle the failover and round-robin more effectively and also gives better performance. if you are not aware, if you issue ssl, it exists immediately on every haproxy server in the environment, so if you migrate, its already live.
Its really no different to say cPanel shared hosting, I get while it feels different, but keep in mind your subnet is isolated from other customers' subnets, there are a lot f traffic origin checks in place and only the admin subnet where the haproxies live can establish connections to customer subnets,.
We also technically have access ot your disk anyway, so I presume its not us you are concerned about security wise.
You can also use any port you want, even 443 for the listener for the VPS backend. I guess we should probably have an override just to pass through
You are absolutely right about haproxy, it can, and we have tcp mode on the roadmap already, it is coming along with websockets etc, we plan to have a tcp mode option available for TierHive Beta.
Simple answer to your question, we did what we knew best first, it may not have been the right decision This is why we have an Alpha product right now.
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@AnthonySmith said: so I presume its not us you are concerned about security wise
Oh, no, it's not about your access to my data. It's obvious you have access to the disk anyway.
It's just I'm working for the network security for the last 15 years or so, and every point of attack raise my concern.
Like... If TLS terminated on the VPS side, you have to get access to the VPS if you want to get decrypted data. If TLS terminated on the HAProxy side, you have to get access to the HAProxy tunneling OR VPS. One more point to attack, as I said before.
I am aware it's kinda paranoid, but that's how I am, sorry.
EDIT: Oh, I realised I wasn't clear enough. Obviuosly there's no security if whole system is compromised. But if there's only one
part which affected, and if that part is HAProxy - it is less safe than just passing TLS connections trough.
Update, found out that HDD (slow storage) upgrades were being billed at the hourly rate for the original size.
So we have not been billing for 17.5TB worth of upgrades for a long time... Oops
As it was a code fault, its on us, no back billing will occur.
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This has been fixed, we have stronger logic now so single backend, multi domain, multi ports works now instead of randomly going offline after around 6 hours.
...
I did still experience difficulty with a backend running on a different port than 80. My service running on port 3001 would turn Unhealthy after some time and not recover, while the service was fine. HAProxy wouldn't serve it. I've since put it behind an Apache proxy on my host and it's been solid ever since.
May have been a glitch in the matrix, but thought I'd let you know in case it's helpful.
This has been fixed, we have stronger logic now so single backend, multi domain, multi ports works now instead of randomly going offline after around 6 hours.
...
I did still experience difficulty with a backend running on a different port than 80. My service running on port 3001 would turn Unhealthy after some time and not recover, while the service was fine. HAProxy wouldn't serve it. I've since put it behind an Apache proxy on my host and it's been solid ever since.
May have been a glitch in the matrix, but I thought I'd let you know in case it's helpful.
There was a bunch of fixes put in last week, maybe 2 weeks ago now, and we have not had a single HAProxy-related ticket since (of this nature) we did cause some 'reverse logic' issues when we tied the static hosting into it. seems to be pretty solid now on any port as long as whatever you run has a 200,301,302 response code at least 1 out of 100 times we try to connect.
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Free credit is back on registration; we made some improvements around the checks.
Additionally, you now only get enough to test things for a few hours, a day or 2 at most if you really go ultra minimal, this allows people to actually test things, not just use the test as a way of getting free service. Hopefully, the effort will outweigh the reward now for attempting to get 100 free accounts.
We will see how it goes.
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@Charles said:
Indeed, businesses that support BYOIP are a level above in terms of professionalism and flexibility.
TierHive, however, is not enterprisese-grade or even what I call, enterprise-fake (pretending to be cutting edge and pretending that it's not a small-scale operation) so professionalism really is of no concern, I would rather just be a human about things.
That said BYOIP is something we will do, I am both excited to get started on it and also anxious about the time suck I know it is going to be. so we will do it because its cool, not because we think anyone will actually use it a bit like IPv6, maybe even less so.
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@terrorgen said:
Byoip means you announce our allocated IPs for us?
I guess it can mean a few things, I usually lump announcements and bgp in together as BYOIP, rightly or wrongly.
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Any plans for higher resource limits and API access and custom images? I`m recently looking into coder.com, and it seems like TierHive would be a great fit for automated dev servers (currently using Promox LXC for it)
@sanvit said:
Any plans for higher resource limits and API access and custom images? I`m recently looking into coder.com, and it seems like TierHive would be a great fit for automated dev servers (currently using Promox LXC for it)
Yes to all but not soon, API probably early 2027, we would like to offer 8GB Ram and 100GB disk and more cores when we have more beefy hardware but we are still growing.
Technically you can load a custom image now, just ipxe boot and use whet piped to dd to /dev/vda not exactly smooth but it works.
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This is the first of a series of possible test locations; the max disk is limited to 20 GB; this was the best way we could come up with to keep uniform pricing between locations.
It's going to take a while to make a judgement call on whether we made the right decision, so not rushing ahead with Hong Kong or Korea yet.
Enjoy.
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@aphs said:
Is there any early access in API? I am looking to write a Terraform provider.
Not while in Alpha, to much is changing on a regular basis; earliest will be early 2027
When you start talking about terraform, TierHive is probbaly not the option
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It's going to take a while to make a judgement call on whether we made the right decision, so not rushing ahead with Hong Kong or Korea yet.
I’m a user from South Korea, and I’d love to see a Korea region in the future.
I understand that operating in Korea can be very expensive, so I know it’s probably a difficult decision.
I’m really happy to see the Japan region has been launched. Thank you!
If Japan works out, it's a coin toss between Hong Kong and S.Korea
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Just so you know - sometimes ipv6 is not just a toy, but only method to connect if ipv4 is blocked by government. Sure that's a rare case, but I hope it's something you can think about while deciding to keep ipv6 or not.
I still hope Poland location will get ipv6 eventually tho.
@Scioner said:
Just so you know - sometimes ipv6 is not just a toy, but only method to connect if ipv4 is blocked by government. Sure that's a rare case, but I hope it's something you can think about while deciding to keep ipv6 or not.
I still hope Poland location will get ipv6 eventually tho.
I know, but also, TierHive is kind of a toy and not what you really want to use for serious stuff, literally not enterprise by design, we have simple goals, cheap and fun, if we started charging for the rare cases lots of people who don't care about ipv6 (literally 98%) would be unhappy with higher prices.
As such we do ipv6 in a way that we can, and even that is in question right now.
I am going to have a fresh look in August though.
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@AnthonySmith said:
I know, but also, TierHive is kind of a toy and not what you really want to use for serious stuff, literally not enterprise by design, we have simple goals, cheap and fun, if we started charging for the rare cases lots of people who don't care about ipv6 (literally 98%) would be unhappy with higher prices.
As such we do ipv6 in a way that we can, and even that is in question right now.
I am going to have a fresh look in August though.
Yeah, I understand, and I don't want to push it. But I've read enough of your jokes (or not) about ipv6 to be afraid of you dropping ipv6 altogether. Be it after beta or even in (someday) release.
@TemporiousOne said:
Is Japan location maxed out? Is not in the dropdown.
Yeah it hit capacity quicker than expected, looking at options to add capacity.
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I'm shocked 98% of user dont use IPV6 considering it's NAT VPS.. I find it very useful and hope IPV6 stays.
Gotta say, this panel is amazing!! not sure how one goes about creating something like this from scratch!.. Maybe you could like sell licensing like Virtualizor/SoluVM..
Definetly Cheap fun! I added $3 and gets me to run Alpine linux for over a year!! Thank you.
@bugabuga said:
I'm shocked 98% of user dont use IPV6 considering it's NAT VPS.. I find it very useful and hope IPV6 stays.
Gotta say, this panel is amazing!! not sure how one goes about creating something like this from scratch!.. Maybe you could like sell licensing like Virtualizor/SoluVM..
Definetly Cheap fun! I added $3 and gets me to run Alpine linux for over a year!! Thank you.
I spent 20 years being angry at panels.
Very much not interested in competing in the VPS panel market, I have a health condition which is not compatible with that kind of stress
I am not surprised about ipv6, most people don't understand it and current usage stats globally are passive not actual, meaning that it's available automatically if your isp enabled it you did not adopt it.
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@TemporiousOne said:
Is Japan location maxed out? Is not in the dropdown.
Little bit of space freed up. From trial users this morning so it's available whilst it lasts
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Small update: Apart from Japan and New York being live now, you can now upgrade or deploy with up to 8GB RAM in Germany, Australia and Canada.
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Hi, i've been loving the plattform so far. Small feature request, could we validate haproxy with a simple A record instead of a txt? The use case is you might not own a domain, but want to use a free subdomain like the ones from afraid dot org or duckdns
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It's working for me.
Thanks @david3!
IPv6 now seems working again in Hillsboro for me as well.
The link-local IPv6 router address on NetBSD has been statically configured, and the address seems to have changed.
If the link-local IPv6 router address changes again, maybe I could have fun trying NetBSD's dhcpcd(8) to build the route dynamically. . . .
Thanks again @david3! Thanks to @AnthonySmith for TierHive! Lots of Low End fun!
Best wishes and kindest regards!
Tom
I'm using Alpine, and I didn't do anything special to statically configure the link-local address. I think that is auto configured. This is my /etc/network/interfaces:
$ ping 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1
PING 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1 (2a11:6c7:2300:9508::1) 56 data bytes
From 2a11:6c7:2300:9508::70 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
ping: sendmsg: No route to host
Vint Hill again.
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When I last tried NetBSD on TierHive, the IPv6 configuration as shown in the panel for IPv6 didn't work, but using the link-local address of the router instead made it work. Maybe I was just unlucky at that time and there was some general IPv6 issue on TierHive or there was a compatibility issue between NetBSD and how TierHive has configured IPv6. There are just too many unknowns.
thanks, stand by.
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Honestly, we were just talking about it yesterday, Ipv6 was kind of forced in to alpha before we were ready because so much noise was made about ipv6.
In hindsight, it was a huge mistake, in the end I could not make it work as I wanted with the restrictions we have right now, on top of that only 1.8% of people even allocate a /64 the actual use figure is way lower.
It has periods of shameful stability as a result of us not having enough control, and it is by far the biggest management and ticket burden, that is in part our fault, but its not a problem we can easily fix. Mostly, people just open a ticket saying their IPv6 did not auto-configure and then people need lessons on how to do it, or reports of it being down and actually its not but that launches a full investigation.
So really, we have kind of backed ourselves into a corner, but for such a tiny amount of tthe customer base actually really using it, we are thinking about cutting our losses before we make things worse and dropping IPv6, we would obviously refund any credit to anyone that bought credit because we have IPv6 and then relaunching IPv6 properly when we finish our own ASN registration and have our own range that we can directly manage rather than relying on to many external and uncontroable factors.
This has not been fully decided yet, but honestly, it will probably go this way.
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If IPv6 is becoming such a headache- just turn it off and tell people "Later." - It'd be annoying for me, but I can live with NAT since the whole point is a backup running through HAProxy anyhow.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
We can vouch for NetBSD being kind of hard with the IPv6 addresses. Our attempts at providing a usable template with IPv6 were among the hardest we've done for any OS on the new panel. It's hard, indeed.
You will really want to have a go at DHCPv6 to reduce tickets and increase reliability, and to test and test and re-test provisioning: sometimes it failed in different ways just because it could...
Maybe you should just tell those retards to fuck off?
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Honestly I stopped using tierhive cause of the ipv6 issues as well. The latency for IPv6 is higher thæn normal, auto configuration doesn't work and even after manual configuration, some US regions IPv6 did not work. Well, hope it'll get better once it's out of alpha...
I've been using tierhive for a while now and I'm amazed with the service, it's been more stable than quite a few "production ready" hosts. Is there a reason, however, that you charge VAT even for customers outside EU? It's a minor thing really, but I've never seen it done before.
We use a merchant of record, FastSpring. Technically, you are their customer, not ours, and FastSpring is our only customer; this allows us to not require any of your personal data.
They detect your location during checkout based on your IP and the details you enter, and they charge you the VAT or tax rate of your local country, or state, fastSpring then pay all taxes on our behalf, making our bookkeeping and accounting incredibly simple.
Similar to paddle, lemonsqueezy and a few others, we found that FastSpring was the most "human" company to work with in the end even though the rate is slightly higher per transaction, the additional fees cost less than a part-time bookkeeper and accountant meaning I can do everything myself and keep the operating costs lower and you guys get a lower price.
So You were only charged VAT if you are in a country that has a standard VAT rate and you were charged at your country's VAT rate, the VAT you paid was then given to your government directly
I hope that clarifies.
Obviously, if you are hiding your location well, then this is also a side effect: you are charged the VAT rate of the location you are hiding in IP address-wise and you are acting as a tax proxy for that contry, and I am sure they will thank you for it
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A few updates on TierHive in general:
Payments, tagging @ehab as he initially got me started on this bit:
Amount is now shown as an estimate in GBP, EUR and USD, live.
Also, you can now redeem a coupon in the same place, hopefully making that less disjointed.
We removed the need for an account to be a certain age to use a coupon, and using a coupon now activates a subnet and mesh for you as an end user, just like an actual payment; there is no need to open a support ticket.
The token amount in the header bar now link to the billing page.
Other stuff:
We untied the VPS from the recipe it was deployed on, meaning when you reinstall, you just reinstall; it does not deploy the recipe again.
Apart from that, the latest tranche of work was almost all admin side, a lot around improving HAProxy sensitivity, a final push (make or break) for IPv6 stability, and a bit of added logic in the haproxy side to avoid SSL generation failures.
Was passed 10000 total customers a while back (in terms of registrations) but it was a busy week so it just happened without being noticed, keep in mind we delete accounts that are considered dormant with no active service or activity, still in batches, still manually as we keep finding exceptions to account for so dont want to risk the automation yet, which actuall puts us at around the 5000 mark in terms of what we consider to be live active customers (Have credit, active service now or within the last 90 days)
We turned off the free tokens on the 3rd July, signups slowed by around 30% which was to be expected, however node loads also dropped by around the same amount and remained there while daily average takings remained exactly on track, we will probably open up the free trial credit again anyway for periods of time when appropriate but we will also likely restrict the available locations and services for the free tokens.
Looking for new locations all the time, if anyone has any suggestions along with hosts to consider (dedicated or VDS only please), always let us know, if you are a host and you think it's worth a chat about a location then drop me a PM.
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Extra resources added to singapore, available to add VPS now, the load balancers will put every new VPS on the new node for a while if anyone wants or needs a second IP in SG.
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason TLS termination being done via HAProxy?
Security wise it's worse, just because it's an additional point of attack. Performance wise... well, it is better for VPS itself to not handle decryption, but difference is negligible if we are not talking about millions and millions connections, which could be really strange for the TierHive.
And adding to the "ipv6 was a mistake" topic - it's much less convenient for double stack setups if TLS terminated via reverse proxy. You have to make different sections for ipv4 and ipv6 in w/e web-server you use.
As far as I know HAProxy is capable of prereading SNI w/o termination. So I don't really understand why.
And, to be clear, it's absolutely not an issue for me. Pure curiosity.
Honestly, it was just a scale vs expectations thing, we expected maybe a few hundred customers over a year or so, we got that in a week, it was based on old NAT LowEndSpirit numbers and methods, before LES was a forum, this also lets us handle the failover and round-robin more effectively and also gives better performance. if you are not aware, if you issue ssl, it exists immediately on every haproxy server in the environment, so if you migrate, its already live.
Its really no different to say cPanel shared hosting, I get while it feels different, but keep in mind your subnet is isolated from other customers' subnets, there are a lot f traffic origin checks in place and only the admin subnet where the haproxies live can establish connections to customer subnets,.
We also technically have access ot your disk anyway, so I presume its not us you are concerned about security wise.
You are absolutely right about haproxy, it can, and we have tcp mode on the roadmap already, it is coming along with websockets etc, we plan to have a tcp mode option available for TierHive Beta.
Simple answer to your question, we did what we knew best first, it may not have been the right decision
This is why we have an Alpha product right now.
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Oh, no, it's not about your access to my data. It's obvious you have access to the disk anyway.
It's just I'm working for the network security for the last 15 years or so, and every point of attack raise my concern.
Like... If TLS terminated on the VPS side, you have to get access to the VPS if you want to get decrypted data. If TLS terminated on the HAProxy side, you have to get access to the HAProxy tunneling OR VPS. One more point to attack, as I said before.
I am aware it's kinda paranoid, but that's how I am, sorry.
EDIT: Oh, I realised I wasn't clear enough. Obviuosly there's no security if whole system is compromised. But if there's only one
part which affected, and if that part is HAProxy - it is less safe than just passing TLS connections trough.
Update, found out that HDD (slow storage) upgrades were being billed at the hourly rate for the original size.
So we have not been billing for 17.5TB worth of upgrades for a long time... Oops
As it was a code fault, its on us, no back billing will occur.
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Damn... I missed that "one trick to save you money"
I did still experience difficulty with a backend running on a different port than 80. My service running on port 3001 would turn Unhealthy after some time and not recover, while the service was fine. HAProxy wouldn't serve it. I've since put it behind an Apache proxy on my host and it's been solid ever since.
May have been a glitch in the matrix, but thought I'd let you know in case it's helpful.
There was a bunch of fixes put in last week, maybe 2 weeks ago now, and we have not had a single HAProxy-related ticket since (of this nature) we did cause some 'reverse logic' issues when we tied the static hosting into it. seems to be pretty solid now on any port as long as whatever you run has a 200,301,302 response code at least 1 out of 100 times we try to connect.
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BYOIP would be incredible, another +1 for it
Free credit is back on registration; we made some improvements around the checks.
Additionally, you now only get enough to test things for a few hours, a day or 2 at most if you really go ultra minimal, this allows people to actually test things, not just use the test as a way of getting free service. Hopefully, the effort will outweigh the reward now for attempting to get 100 free accounts.
We will see how it goes.
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I created my first server yesterday. Beautiful.
Indeed, businesses that support BYOIP are a level above in terms of professionalism and flexibility.
TierHive, however, is not enterprisese-grade or even what I call, enterprise-fake (pretending to be cutting edge and pretending that it's not a small-scale operation) so professionalism really is of no concern, I would rather just be a human about things.
That said BYOIP is something we will do, I am both excited to get started on it and also anxious about the time suck I know it is going to be.
so we will do it because its cool, not because we think anyone will actually use it 
a bit like IPv6, maybe even less so.
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Byoip means you announce our allocated IPs for us?
DM us for private tracker invite.
I guess it can mean a few things, I usually lump announcements and bgp in together as BYOIP, rightly or wrongly.
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Any plans for higher resource limits and API access and custom images? I`m recently looking into coder.com, and it seems like TierHive would be a great fit for automated dev servers (currently using Promox LXC for it)
Yes to all but not soon, API probably early 2027, we would like to offer 8GB Ram and 100GB disk and more cores when we have more beefy hardware but we are still growing.
Technically you can load a custom image now, just ipxe boot and use whet piped to dd to /dev/vda not exactly smooth but it works.
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Tokyo is live.
This is the first of a series of possible test locations; the max disk is limited to 20 GB; this was the best way we could come up with to keep uniform pricing between locations.
It's going to take a while to make a judgement call on whether we made the right decision, so not rushing ahead with Hong Kong or Korea yet.
Enjoy.
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Is there any early access in API? I am looking to write a Terraform provider.
Not while in Alpha, to much is changing on a regular basis; earliest will be early 2027
When you start talking about terraform, TierHive is probbaly not the option
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I’m a user from South Korea, and I’d love to see a Korea region in the future.
I understand that operating in Korea can be very expensive, so I know it’s probably a difficult decision.
I’m really happy to see the Japan region has been launched. Thank you!
If Japan works out, it's a coin toss between Hong Kong and S.Korea
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jp loaded
wait for hk
Remote console is taking a a while to connect today, no big deal but wanted to raise awareness
Actually, it's only slow when I use firefox, it connects right away if I use chrome.
Just so you know - sometimes ipv6 is not just a toy, but only method to connect if ipv4 is blocked by government. Sure that's a rare case, but I hope it's something you can think about while deciding to keep ipv6 or not.
I still hope Poland location will get ipv6 eventually tho.
I know, but also, TierHive is kind of a toy and not what you really want to use for serious stuff, literally not enterprise by design, we have simple goals, cheap and fun, if we started charging for the rare cases lots of people who don't care about ipv6 (literally 98%) would be unhappy with higher prices.
As such we do ipv6 in a way that we can, and even that is in question right now.
I am going to have a fresh look in August though.
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Yeah, I understand, and I don't want to push it. But I've read enough of your jokes (or not) about ipv6 to be afraid of you dropping ipv6 altogether. Be it after beta or even in (someday) release.
Is Japan location maxed out? Is not in the dropdown.
Yeah it hit capacity quicker than expected, looking at options to add capacity.
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I'm shocked 98% of user dont use IPV6 considering it's NAT VPS.. I find it very useful and hope IPV6 stays.
Gotta say, this panel is amazing!! not sure how one goes about creating something like this from scratch!.. Maybe you could like sell licensing like Virtualizor/SoluVM..
Definetly Cheap fun! I added $3 and gets me to run Alpine linux for over a year!! Thank you.
I spent 20 years being angry at panels.
Very much not interested in competing in the VPS panel market, I have a health condition which is not compatible with that kind of stress
I am not surprised about ipv6, most people don't understand it and current usage stats globally are passive not actual, meaning that it's available automatically if your isp enabled it you did not adopt it.
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Little bit of space freed up. From trial users this morning so it's available whilst it lasts
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Small update: Apart from Japan and New York being live now, you can now upgrade or deploy with up to 8GB RAM in Germany, Australia and Canada.
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Hi, i've been loving the plattform so far. Small feature request, could we validate haproxy with a simple A record instead of a txt? The use case is you might not own a domain, but want to use a free subdomain like the ones from afraid dot org or duckdns