[2022] ★ VirMach ★ RYZEN ★ NVMe ★★ The Epic Sales Offer Thread ★★

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  • edited October 2022

    @Flying_Chinaman said:

    @VirMach said:

    @Flying_Chinaman said: 4.5 GB
    50GB NVMe
    3 Core
    4TB
    2 IPv4 & /64 IPv6

    Old formula $84.50 but I'm reworking it.

    Holy shit moly, do we have a deal?

    I'm very curious in understanding how you value this as a great deal but with 1TB HDD on the other one you thought it was only worth $125. Otherwise it'll throw everything off and make it difficult to reach a conclusion to this "project"

    Maybe it was the extra RAM and BW you valued less. Or CPU and disk you value more?

  • @VirMach said: 8GB DDR4 RAM
    180GB NVMe SSD
    4 vCore Ryzen CPU
    8TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4
    $80/2YR

    I'm using this one as the "baseline" for calibrating the two formulas together and to try to get new formula to come down lower.

    Old formula: $123.25
    New formula: $101

    Now let's try the others.

    @VirMach said: 2048MB DDR4 RAM
    20GB NVMe SSD
    1 vCore Ryzen CPU
    1TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /112 IPv6
    $25/2YR or $15/1YR

    Old formula: $29.25
    New formula: $31.00

    @VirMach said: 6GB DDR4 RAM
    50GB NVMe SSD + 1TB Raid HDD
    3 vCore Ryzen CPU
    10TB @ 1Gbps
    4x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    $125/2YR

    Old formula: $133.25 + $10
    New formula: $118.50 + $10

    @VirMach said: 7GB DDR4 RAM
    180GB NVMe SSD
    3 vCore Ryzen CPU
    6TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4

    Old formula: $102.75
    New formula: $84

    5GB DDR4 RAM
    60GB NVMe SSD
    2 vCore Ryzen CPU
    2TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4
    $80/2YR

    Old formula: $59.75
    New formula: $54

    @Jab okay I made it worse.

  • @Flying_Chinaman said: 100$ / 2 years + 10$ one time Tokyo fine

    Focusing on this now versus your $125 version that came out at $150.
    And then Jab and the other one.

  • edited October 2022

    @VirMach said:

    @Flying_Chinaman said: 4.5 GB
    50GB NVMe
    3 Core
    4TB
    2 IPv4 & /64 IPv6

    Old formula $84.50 but I'm reworking it.

    This one is $66 new formula trying to make it closer to $100 without ruining everything else.

  • JabJab TOP Member 2027

    WOOOAH, so in a long run looks like I helped this time and almost everyone get better prices.

    Shocking, but HA!

    Haven't bought a single service in VirMach Great Ryzen 2022 - 2023 Flash Sale.

  • @VirMach said:

    @VirMach said:

    @Flying_Chinaman said: 4.5 GB
    50GB NVMe
    3 Core
    4TB
    2 IPv4 & /64 IPv6

    Old formula $84.50 but I'm reworking it.

    This one is $66 new formula trying to make it closer to $100 without ruining everything else.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Let it be $66, love thy neighbor!!!

    Ontario Dildo Inspector

  • edited October 2022

    are you using same formula for all locations? Japan should be much expensive than US/EU (not only +fee) since it's the most wanted & problematic location @VirMach.

  • Hope after this BF, I could migrate my varied JP VPS, GreenCloud, AWS Lightsail, Linode into the single one.

    Ontario Dildo Inspector

  • edited October 2022

    @netrix said:
    are you using same formula for all locations? Japan should be much expensive than US/EU (not only +fee) since it's the most wanted & problematic location @VirMach.

    Only when it comes to bandwidth, but the unstable genius already charged setup fee

    Ontario Dildo Inspector

  • edited October 2022

    @Flying_Chinaman said:
    It's morning now. Wow, my my~ He should have fainted.

    Okay he fainted. Until next day

    Ontario Dildo Inspector

  • edited October 2022

    128GB DDR4 RAM
    4TB NVMe SSD
    12 vCore EPYC CPU
    200TB @ 1Gbps
    4x IPv4 & /56 IPv6
    $1999/2YR
    Priority support. Support personnel is not allowed to sleep. Tickets are sent to them via electrical shock.

    512GB DDR4 RAM
    16TB NVMe SSD
    4 vCore EPYC CPU
    500TB @ 1Gbps
    2x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    $19999/2YR
    Special for @Nekki . Comes with escort service once every three months.

    2GB DDR4 RAM
    45GB NVMe SSD
    2 vCore EPYC CPU
    1TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    $18.88/2YR
    Rerun of the 2020 $8.88 plan.

    6GB DDR4 RAM
    66GB NVMe SSD
    6 vCore EPYC CPU
    6TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    $66/2YR
    Rerun of the GreenCloud 6666 plan.

    32MB DDR4 RAM
    333MB NVMe SSD
    0.3 vCore EPYC CPU
    3GB @ 1Gbps
    0x IPv4 & 3x /64 IPv6
    $3/2YR
    Special for @skorupion .

    0TB DDR4 RAM
    0TB NVMe SSD
    0 vCore EPYC CPU
    0TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & 1x /64 IPv6
    $0/2YR
    Special for @Otus9051 and @ehab . IPv4 is in 10.0.0.0/8 range. It will not turn on. You can only look at it in WHMCS.

    We accept Karma donations for the last flan. 🍮 affbrr

  • New formula for @Jab $80 achieved.
    New formula for @Flying_Chinaman is $98 hoping you're a little less excited here but still within $100.

    Now let's see how it looks for everyone else.

    @kuroneko23 went from $65.75 which was close to $58 requested to $75. Tweaking it some more and it's $67.

    This makes @Jab $72 which still works out to $45 for annual which is a success.

    Makes @Flying_Chinaman only $86. And his older request $140.50 which is closer to original/halfway point.

    @netrix said: 2048MB DDR4 RAM
    7GB NVMe SSD
    1 vCore Ryzen CPU
    500GB @ 10Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /128 IPv6
    $20/2YR or $15/1YR

    This one is $36.35 on newer formula, but $26.45 on old so clearly a bigger problem.

    Makes @netrix

    @storm said:
    8GB DDR4 RAM
    180GB NVMe SSD
    4 vCore Ryzen CPU
    8TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4
    $80/2YR
    B)

    And this one $141 so I've basically solved no problem and on average made it worse. Let's try again.

    New new new new new formula makes this one $117.

    Makes @Jab $40.63 a year.

    Makes original @Flying_Chinaman $130.50 okay so far good.

    Makes new @Flying_Chinaman $84 okay he's happy.

    Makes @kuroneko23 go to $62.50 so very good.

    @netrix said: 2048MB DDR4 RAM
    7GB NVMe SSD
    1 vCore Ryzen CPU
    500GB @ 10Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /128 IPv6
    $20/2YR or $15/1YR

    Old formula was $26.46
    New formula $33.25

    I don't know if I did it on the old new one or not.

    Moment of truth....

    @VirMach said: 2048MB DDR4 RAM
    20GB NVMe SSD
    1 vCore Ryzen CPU
    1TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /112 IPv6
    $25/2YR or $15/1YR

    $35 new formula. Damn it.

  • @netrix said:
    are you using same formula for all locations? Japan should be much expensive than US/EU (not only +fee) since it's the most wanted & problematic location @VirMach.

    If I took Japan out it'd solve 99% of our problems and I'm not talking about just this formula.

  • edited October 2022

    @yoursunny said:

    Okay very interesting. Working on this now. It's actually what I wanted to see because I want to know how it could be broken, so it's perfect.

  • @VirMach said: If I took Japan out it'd solve 99% of our problems and I'm not talking about just this formula.

    What did I tell ya, right at the beginning of this sorry saga? :p :bleep_bloop:

    In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
    Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
    It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).

  • @yoursunny said: Priority support. Support personnel is not allowed to sleep. Tickets are sent to them via electrical shock.

    @yoursunny said: IPv4 is in 10.0.0.0/8 range. It will not turn on. You can only look at it in WHMCS.

    lmao :p

  • First let's see how each formula does on all these then I'll do formula V3 to try to get close to all these while also maintaining everything else. All are obviously Ryzen and not Epyc and a lot of these RAM amounts and such are theoretical and oversold.

    200TB @ 1Gbps
    4x IPv4 & /56 IPv6
    128GB DDR4 RAM
    12 vCore EPYC CPU
    4TB NVMe SSD
    $1999/2YR
    Priority support. Support personnel is not allowed to sleep. Tickets are sent to them via electrical shock.

    Old: $1737.25
    New: $1616

    500TB @ 1Gbps
    2x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    512GB DDR4 RAM
    4 vCore EPYC CPU
    16TB NVMe SSD
    $19999/2YR
    Special for @Nekki . Comes with escort service once every three months.

    Old: $5,461.25
    New: $5,432.00

    1TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    2GB DDR4 RAM
    2 vCore EPYC CPU
    45GB NVMe SSD
    $18.88/2YR
    Rerun of the 2019 $8.88 plan.

    Old: $41.75
    New: $42.25

    6TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    6GB DDR4 RAM
    6 vCore EPYC CPU
    66GB NVMe SSD
    $66/2YR
    Rerun of the GreenCloud 6666 plan.

    Old: $116.85
    New: $105.30

    3GB @ 1Gbps
    0x IPv4 & 3x /64 IPv6
    32MB DDR4 RAM
    0.3 vCore EPYC CPU
    333MB NVMe SSD
    $3/2YR
    Special for @skorupion .

    Old: -$3.52 (we pay him)
    New: $2.08

    0TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & 1x /64 IPv6
    0TB DDR4 RAM
    0 vCore EPYC CPU
    0TB NVMe SSD
    $0/2YR
    Special for @Otus9051 and @ehab . IPv4 is in 10...* range. It will not turn on. You can only look at it in WHMCS.

    Old: $5.25 or -$6.75 private IP
    New: $12 or $0 private IP


    Bonus, let's see which one does better with @yoursunny Specials.

    1GB RAM
    Up to 15GB SSD
    1 vCore CPU
    500GB @ 1Gbps
    1 NAT* IPv4 & /64 IPv6

    Target price: $12

    Old with IPv4: $14.22
    Old without IPv4: $6.72
    New with IPv4: $16.72
    New without IPv4: $9.22

    2GB RAM
    Up to 25GB SSD
    1 vCore CPU
    1TB @ 1Gbps
    1 NAT* IPv4 & /64 IPv6

    Target price: $18

    Old with IPv4: $17.98
    Old without IPv4: $10.47
    New with IPv4: $21.72
    New without IPv4: $14.22

    4GB RAM
    Up to 50GB SSD
    2 vCore CPU
    2TB @ 1Gbps
    1 NAT* IPv4 & /64 IPv6

    Target price: $36

    Old with IPv4: $33.91
    Old without IPv4: $26.41
    New with IPv4: $36.56
    New without IPv4: $29.06

    New one seems a lot more stable with @yoursunny Specials. And in general.

  • edited October 2022

    @yoursunny said:
    0TB DDR4 RAM
    0TB NVMe SSD
    0 vCore EPYC CPU
    0TB @ 1Gbps
    1x IPv4 & 1x /64 IPv6
    $0/2YR
    Special for @Otus9051 and @ehab . IPv4 is in 10.0.0.0/8 range. It will not turn on. You can only look at it in WHMCS.

    hahahahahaha
    you bastard.

  • edited October 2022

    Oh wait I forgot one important thing for the new formula, okay, making* V3.

  • FAT32FAT32 OG
    edited October 2022

    32GB DDR4 RAM
    32GB NVMe SSD
    8 vCore EPYC CPU
    96GB @ 1Gbps
    0x IPv4 & 1x /64 IPv6
    $32/YR

    I call it the SSD32G mini

    食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.

  • Okay I thought of a way better way of adding someone else's plan without having to go and do-over. I'll be back soon with more information.

  • @VirMach said:
    Okay I thought of a way better way of adding someone else's plan without having to go and do-over. I'll be back soon with more information.

    Have you just discovered Excel?

    食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.

  • @VirMach serious question?

    I used the migrate button with 3 usd fee , then ticket and invoice were created, but then I didn't want to migrate, so I clicked on close ticket but , the invoice is still pending,

    So here is question do I have to pay the invoice or can I let it expire?

    If I am required to and do pay invoice how can I reopen the ticket, I cannot re-open the ticket by replying it seems

    PS don't ban me 😗

    Want free vps ? https://microlxc.net

  • @Jab said:

    @VirMach said:
    Not on list but we have so many extra IPv4 we can sell NAT plans with dedicated IPv4 temporarily and no time limit on switching it over on our end.

    Holy shit please no, you will get so many support tickets + chargebacks + IPs blacklisted/blocked on GFW - totally not worth it imho.

    Very good point if we do @yoursunny specials we just have to add in IPv4 cost and then optionally when ready allow to switch to NAT to save $8/YR.

  • edited October 2022

    @FAT32 said:

    @VirMach said:
    Okay I thought of a way better way of adding someone else's plan without having to go and do-over. I'll be back soon with more information.

    Have you just discovered Excel?

    Google sheets all the way. Just formatting it differently for parallel.

    @codelock said:
    @VirMach serious question?

    I used the migrate button with 3 usd fee , then ticket and invoice were created, but then I didn't want to migrate, so I clicked on close ticket but , the invoice is still pending,

    So here is question do I have to pay the invoice or can I let it expire?

    If I am required to and do pay invoice how can I reopen the ticket, I cannot re-open the ticket by replying it seems

    PS don't ban me 😗

    If you didn't pay you don't have to pay. If it auto pays you can ask for a refund.

  • 3 vCore
    2GB RAM
    150GB NVMe SSD
    3.5tb@1gbps
    1x IPv4
    $29/year

    (my old BF special needs a friend)

  • JabJab TOP Member 2027

    @fluttershy said:
    3 vCore
    2GB RAM
    150GB NVMe SSD
    3.5tb@1gbps
    1x IPv4
    $29/year

    (my old BF special needs a friend)

    lol

    Haven't bought a single service in VirMach Great Ryzen 2022 - 2023 Flash Sale.

  • @Jab said:

    @fluttershy said:
    3 vCore
    2GB RAM
    150GB NVMe SSD
    3.5tb@1gbps
    1x IPv4
    $29/year

    (my old BF special needs a friend)

    lol

    let me dream ok

  • Waiting for the hybrids to emerge.. I may not survive long enough though. ;)
    20/500 SSD/HDD ratio is ample for a LEProxmoxSpecial.

    In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
    Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
    It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).

  • I am not buying anything until i get my free 2GB SDD

  • @AlwaysSkint said:
    Waiting for the hybrids to emerge.. I may not survive long enough though. ;)
    20/500 SSD/HDD ratio is ample for a LEProxmoxSpecial.

    Not sure if this would work out, maybe the chassis could fit 4x8TB HDD in a raid 10 or something? Small (physically) servers might make it hard to get solid performance out of the HDD. What I really want is private networking, so I can connect a storage VPS to a NVMe one. Some of the other hosts I use offer it, and it's incredibly useful.

  • @Flying_Chinaman said:

    @netrix said:
    are you using same formula for all locations? Japan should be much expensive than US/EU (not only +fee) since it's the most wanted & problematic location @VirMach.

    Only when it comes to bandwidth, but the unstable genius already charged setup fee

    I don't know how many people who use Tokyo understand, perhaps this is slightly different now that their currency isn't doing well, but for the network blend we have, compared to somewhere like Los Angeles even the most premium, the costs are very easily 3-5x more for the same level of space, bandwidth & power.

    If we went with the cheapest bandwidth option there instead, and I don't know if it'd improve or get worse for China, then it'd be around 2-3x more.

    No matter what, that easily means Tokyo realistically costs around +$12 to +$24 per year per VM versus pretty much any other location in the US.

  • edited October 2022

    @fluttershy said:

    @AlwaysSkint said:
    Waiting for the hybrids to emerge.. I may not survive long enough though. ;)
    20/500 SSD/HDD ratio is ample for a LEProxmoxSpecial.

    Not sure if this would work out, maybe the chassis could fit 4x8TB HDD in a raid 10 or something? Small (physically) servers might make it hard to get solid performance out of the HDD. What I really want is private networking, so I can connect a storage VPS to a NVMe one. Some of the other hosts I use offer it, and it's incredibly useful.

    Software side is harder to make it work than hardware. I know pretty much anything other than SVM probably can do it but we're kind of... stuck using it. I tried to make it work where we maybe offshoot to something else but no matter what there's also the learning curve for customers and us as well (well for us more like the muscle memory/habit.) It ends up feeling gross using anything else even though it's miles ahead and usually one small thing will be a dealbreaker.

    For example we looked at "cloud" panels, but they all seem to go the DO route and account signup/credits which will be difficult to get our customers to use.

    It'd have to be a completely new brand, different hardware, everything.

  • @VirMach said: It'd have to be a completely new brand, different hardware, everything.

    Yikes!
    (Vyrbrid)

    In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
    Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
    It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).

  • @VirMach said:
    Software side is harder to make it work than hardware. I know pretty much anything other than SVM probably can do it but we're kind of... stuck using it. I tried to make it work where we maybe offshoot to something else but no matter what there's also the learning curve for customers and us as well (well for us more like the muscle memory/habit.) It ends up feeling gross using anything else even though it's miles ahead and usually one small thing will be a dealbreaker.

    For example we looked at "cloud" panels, but they all seem to go the DO route and account signup/credits which will be difficult to get our customers to use.

    It'd have to be a completely new brand, different hardware, everything.

    HostHatch does it and I think they're running super heavily modified SolusVM in the backend (at least they were before their panel refresh) so I'm guessing it's possible on SVM. They just add a second NIC to the server that only works on LAN. All "private" traffic goes through that nic and internal IP. I actually sort of like SVM as an end user, even though it's terribly made software, so I'm not really suggesting you dump it (at least not yet)

  • edited October 2022

    @AlwaysSkint said:

    @VirMach said: It'd have to be a completely new brand, different hardware, everything.

    Yikes!
    (Vyrbrid)

    I already have like... way too many domains that have been renewing for 3 years.

    Here I'll let you guys chime in.

    vircloud.io
    vp.com.se (never ended up doing that area, bought it anyway.)
    vaporwind.com
    vpscloudy.com (had it since 2015, jesus)

    Then like 50 others.

  • @yoursunny said: 32MB DDR4 RAM

    I'd surely get another unusable VM =)

  • @VirMach said: I already have like... way too many domains..

    Many of us know that feeling. ;)

    In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
    Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
    It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).

  • Also for black friday:

    vps.blackfriday
    vpsblackfriday.co
    vpsblackfriday.com
    vpsblackfri.day
    vpsblackfriday.cloud

  • edited October 2022

    What's the maximum disk someone would never want for NVMe SSD?
    RAM?
    CPU?
    IPv4?

    Right now we're assuming:

    1TB SSD
    32GB RAM
    8 Core CPU
    8 IPv4

    BW? 20TB?

    And what's the most you'd pay for that assuming you'd have the need?

  • @VirMach said: 500TB @ 1Gbps
    2x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    512GB DDR4 RAM
    4 vCore EPYC CPU
    16TB NVMe SSD
    $19999/2YR
    Special for @Nekki . Comes with escort service once every three months.

    Old: $5,461.25
    New: $5,432.00

    I'm really curious how you do integrate the escort service in your formula.

  • @ben47955 said:

    @VirMach said: 500TB @ 1Gbps
    2x IPv4 & /64 IPv6
    512GB DDR4 RAM
    4 vCore EPYC CPU
    16TB NVMe SSD
    $19999/2YR
    Special for @Nekki . Comes with escort service once every three months.

    Old: $5,461.25
    New: $5,432.00

    I'm really curious how you do integrate the escort service in your formula.

    Well I assumed the value of me (the escort) being around @Nekki was $14,567

  • @VirMach said:
    Here I'll let you guys chime in.

    vircloud.io
    vp.com.se (never ended up doing that area, bought it anyway.)
    vaporwind.com
    vpscloudy.com (had it since 2015, jesus)

    Then like 50 others.

    vaporwind is probably the least bad out of those options.
    A Swedish location would be cool, hope you'll be able to use that .se domain eventually

  • @fluttershy said:

    @VirMach said:
    Here I'll let you guys chime in.

    vircloud.io
    vp.com.se (never ended up doing that area, bought it anyway.)
    vaporwind.com
    vpscloudy.com (had it since 2015, jesus)

    Then like 50 others.

    vaporwind is probably the least bad out of those options.
    A Swedish location would be cool, hope you'll be able to use that .se domain eventually

    Yeah realistically Vaporwind has the best chance of being a LightSail/DigitalOcean knockoff type name.

  • @VirMach said:

    @fluttershy said:

    @VirMach said:
    Here I'll let you guys chime in.

    vircloud.io
    vp.com.se (never ended up doing that area, bought it anyway.)
    vaporwind.com
    vpscloudy.com (had it since 2015, jesus)

    Then like 50 others.

    vaporwind is probably the least bad out of those options.
    A Swedish location would be cool, hope you'll be able to use that .se domain eventually

    Yeah realistically Vaporwind has the best chance of being a LightSail/DigitalOcean knockoff type name.

    I always found DigitalOcean's name unreasonably cute. Getting your own "droplet" in the "digital ocean" felt really clever to me. I'm sad they dropped most of the nautical branding :(

  • @VirMach said:
    Well I assumed the value of me (the escort) being around @Nekki was $14,567

  • edited October 2022

    This is the most balanced I could get it so far.

    @fluttershy $29 requested versus $40.72 (annual)
    @yoursunny with IPv4 1G/2G/4G $15.77, $21.39, $36.78 (annual)

    Then two years:
    @yoursunny GreenCloud and 8.8.8 are $69.75 and $18.88 requested but $111.60 and $42.07
    @kuroneko23 requested $58 versus $60.24
    @netrix one with more disk not that big of a difference, requested $25 and $33.82 no way to do without messing others
    @storm requested $80 but back to $127.96
    @Flying_Chinaman first request $133.85 without HDD (but 4x IPv4)
    @Flying_Chinaman second stayed at around $84.68
    @Jab $64.32 or $40.20 annual with 1.46TB BW.

    @fluttershy and your request would have been around $30 on the old new formula and $69.75 on the old formula. More doable biennial at $65.15 on newest formula.

  • @VirMach said:
    @fluttershy and your request would have been around $30 on the old new formula and $69.75 on the old formula. More doable biennial at $65.15 on newest formula.

    If you can do biennial at $60 you got yourself a deal :wink:

  • Give me some wild ones so I can see if it breaks. Like one resource maxed out and not others. Any weird use cases? Where you'd need a lot of BW and nothing else, a lot of RAM and nothing else, a lot of disk and nothing else, and so on? Trying to figure out the boundaries it works within.

  • @FAT32 said:
    32GB DDR4 RAM
    32GB NVMe SSD
    8 vCore EPYC CPU
    96GB @ 1Gbps
    0x IPv4 & 1x /64 IPv6
    $32/YR

    I call it the SSD32G mini

    @VirMach

    食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.

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