@VirMach said: @fluttershy and your request would have been around $30 on the old new formula and $69.75 on the old formula. More doable biennial at $65.15 on newest formula.
If you can do biennial at $60 you got yourself a deal
Yeahhhhhhhhh about that. I don't think I have it in me to try to keep Jab at $40/yr and yours at $60/2yr. It's on a very fine line of basically being impossible.
@VirMach said:
Give me some wild ones so I can see if it breaks. Like one resource maxed out and not others. Any weird use cases? Where you'd need a lot of BW and nothing else, a lot of RAM and nothing else, a lot of disk and nothing else, and so on? Trying to figure out the boundaries it works within.
@VirMach said: @fluttershy and your request would have been around $30 on the old new formula and $69.75 on the old formula. More doable biennial at $65.15 on newest formula.
If you can do biennial at $60 you got yourself a deal
Yeahhhhhhhhh about that. I don't think I have it in me to try to keep Jab at $40/yr and yours at $60/2yr. It's on a very fine line of basically being impossible.
$65 it is then I need that NVMe for fast backups lol
Redoing all these with a more balanced memory formula but it gets wonky. Similar total cost components.
@fluttershy $29 requested versus $50.02 (annual) @yoursunny with IPv4 1G/2G/4G $16.61, $20.24, $34.48 (annual)
Then two years: @yoursunny GreenCloud and 8.8.8 are $69.75 and $18.88 requested but $117.99 and $45.74 @kuroneko23 requested $58 versus $53.40 @netrix requested $25 and $20 versus $31.65 and $28.05 @storm requested $80 versus $$125.99 @Flying_Chinaman first request $126.67 without HDD (but 4x IPv4) @Flying_Chinaman second stayed at around $83.26 @Jab $59.30 or $37.06 annual with 1.46TB BW.
@VirMach said:
Redoing all these with a more balanced memory formula but it gets wonky. Similar total cost components.
@fluttershy $29 requested versus $50.02 (annual) @yoursunny with IPv4 1G/2G/4G $16.61, $20.24, $34.48 (annual)
Then two years: @yoursunny GreenCloud and 8.8.8 are $69.75 and $18.88 requested but $117.99 and $45.74 @kuroneko23 requested $58 versus $53.40 @netrix requested $25 and $20 versus $31.65 and $28.05 @storm requested $80 versus $$125.99 @Flying_Chinaman first request $126.67 without HDD (but 4x IPv4) @Flying_Chinaman second stayed at around $83.26 @Jab $59.30 or $37.06 annual with 1.46TB BW.
Have you tested border conditions and verified input?
Last time during Ryzen migration, many MJJs successfully smuggled to Tokyo with F12 browser console.
Okay time to try V5 instead of realizing this is an impossible task. But to be fair all yours are BW heavy where we're giving a lot more than we anticipate being utilized on average. It works out well on average, but then we add in Tokyo and so on and it's harder to make the formula favorable.
V4 definitely looks more balanced, I just have to... I don't know.
Okay, here's V5 but we'll most likely need to cap it and have minimums for it to work.
@fluttershy $29 requested versus $36.10 (annual) and $57.76 biennial @yoursunny with IPv4 1G/2G/4G $14.78, $19.42, $32.84 (annual) @yoursunny GreenCloud and 8.8.8 are $69.75 and $18.88 requested but $97.06 and $38.91 @kuroneko23 requested $58 versus $56.16 @netrix requested $25 and $20 versus $30.67 and $28.79 @storm requested $80 versus $108.62 @Flying_Chinaman first request $112.60 without HDD (but 4x IPv4) @Flying_Chinaman second stayed at around $74.63 @Jab $59.11 or $36.94 annual with 1.46TB BW.
To make it work I had to basically lower the totals so it's not really 1:1 and I need to try to lift some of them somehow without affecting others as much.
This formula is closest to our Special 512 for $22 though.
Is this something you actually wanted for using/a project?
Probably one day when I have projects that reach certain scale... I am thinking it could be an interesting Redis/DB Server, but then 32GB is too huge, my existing 8GB plan is already more than sufficient.
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Anyone tried migration to Frankfurt lately? I tried like 2 weeks ago, it was returning 500.
I would like to migrate one VPS, but I would need to add money first and there is no reason to add money if transfer not working!
also there is no reason to add 3$, so I would need to add like 20$... and that would make me vulnerable to BF deals!
Eh, decisions, decisions, decisions.
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@Jab said:
Anyone tried migration to Frankfurt lately? I tried like 2 weeks ago, it was returning 500.
I would like to migrate one VPS, but I would need to add money first and there is no reason to add money if transfer not working!
also there is no reason to add 3$, so I would need to add like 20$... and that would make me vulnerable to BF deals!
@Jab said: also there is no reason to add 3$, so I would need to add like 20$... and that would make me vulnerable to BF deals!
Some guy added like $1000 in funds in $10 increments or something stupid like that so I had to raise the minimum. Oh yeah like $2000 in chargeback fees.
@VirMach said: Some guy added like $1000 in funds in $10 increments or something stupid like that so I had to raise the minimum. Oh yeah like $2000 in chargeback fees.
People don't stop to amaze me, in the wrong way of course.
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Configurator that allows you to pick exactly what you want, instead of messy flash deals in the way they were. We either need to add a bunch of validators and limits, or we can let people go crazy with it as long as we are allowed to step in if you go too crazy and provide you a refund without people complaining which is essentially impossible.
So I think I should release it as a "beta" where people try to find the weirdest specifications or do all the shady things they want but I'm trying to figure out how to do that where we preserve actual costs and give it away for free or basically everyone knows it will be refunded, or maybe we just send an email hey don't use this for 7 days we'll extend your service, within 7 days we'll either cancel/refund or you get to keep it.
@VirMach said: we are allowed to step in if you go too crazy and provide you a refund without people complaining which is essentially impossible.
Chargeback on top of refund, mostly because "FUCK YOU" and sometimes because "YOUR REFUND TAKES TOO LONG, CHARGEBACK WILL BE FASTER" or "I DIDN'T READ EMAILS, YOUR PROBLEM NOW"
Also this seems like fucking impossible to balance nodes... one guy with 120$ will probably hog like 1/4 of resources (because he don't need RAM, but he needs CPU or the other way around) and everyone gonna be pissed off because of him.
I like your idea, but no one in the world is running this for a reason. :-)
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RAM price. We settled at $5 per 1GB per 2 years, but if we do it by MB increments it means half a cent which WHMCS doesn't support and if we do per 1GB then 1GB is the least you can get. If we do per 512MB it works but then it'll look gross unless we code something out specifically for it which we've done... 8 years ago if I can remember. If we do that then we can actually just do it in like 32MB increments technically.
Dropdowns = no cool slider and I have to basically add in every conceivable amount people would want.
Bandwidth, same thing but a little less confusing if we just go in 100GB increments.
@Jab said: I like your idea, but no one in the world is running this for a reason. :-)
Validator idea goes something like this:
For every CPU core, must have at least 2GB RAM, which means to get 2 cores you need 2GB minimum and so on
For every 35GB of disk, must have at least 1GB RAM
Port speed autoscale: optional idea but you get 200Mbps auto port seed per 512MB
Keep it all based on RAM for it to be easier. Maybe for the CPU one given the plans people were interested in we could do 1GB minimum instead. Then 35GB disk and 1 Core can both be tied to 1GB RAM. Port speed might as well be tied to RAM too, 1GB or more RAM = 1Gbps. Less = 500Mbps.
@VirMach said: Validator idea goes something like this:
Sorry - then this will mostly look like pre-defined offers if CPU/RAM/DISK are tied up in such simple ratios and you will get 'wiggle room' only for bigger shit, which knowing those kind of sliders offers will probably end cheaper to just go +1 on everything.
Plus can WHMCS even handle that many different types of products? Will you add all those types to CD images etc? This seems like PITA to handle.
I know that you love BF (and we fucking too!), but I have a feeling this year you should kinda avoid more manual work and wild experiments :P [Especially that there is like 25 days left?]
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@VirMach said: Validator idea goes something like this:
Sorry - then this will mostly look like pre-defined offers if CPU/RAM/DISK are tied up in such simple ratios and you will get 'wiggle room' only for bigger shit, which knowing those kind of sliders offers will probably end cheaper to just go +1 on everything.
Plus can WHMCS even handle that many different types of products? Will you add all those types to CD images etc? This seems like PITA to handle.
It's one product.
What would it have to be for it not to feel that way? Just so we basically stop someone from going out of bounds to the extreme.
Maybe just the lower and upper limits will be enough. Thing is just like video games someone will figure out how to break it so it's best I guess we break it now than later.
What about increments? If possible:
32MB for RAM
5GB? 10GB? for Disk
1 Core for CPU
100GB for BW
1 for IPv4
The bot will randomly generate some specs and price, where you can rate the price from (priced too low) 1 to 5 (priced too high). With such information, it can train to generate a price that is just nice to what you would expect to happen
until edge cases happen, which you might need some safety check
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If 16GB for RAM, that would mean 16GB, 5GB disk, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $96.70/2YR
If 8 Core for CPU, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $72.86/2YR
If 20TB for BW, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 20TB BW, 1 IPv4 for $56.66/2YR
If 1TB for disk, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $118.76/2YR
If 8x IPv4, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 8 IPv4 for $72.87/2YR
Can anyone think of any reason someone would decide to order such a thing? I guess if they do with these bounds though we'd be comfortable honoring it.
@VirMach said: If 16GB for RAM, that would mean 16GB, 5GB disk, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $96.70/2YR
@VirMach said: If 8 Core for CPU, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $72.86/2YR
I assume these two could be the most dangerous, but CPU has itself covered with fair use. Memory, not so much. Would max 8GB be too restricting? Or would it fit 99% of use cases. What about 6 cores?
Correct, the prices will be laid out when ordering. RAM-heaviest was $7 or so. CPU heaviest was $15 or so. Disk-heaviest was $0.30 or so. BW heaviest was $7 or so. IP heaviest was around $12 or so.
(And for those formulas obviously something else went down.)
It would overall work better if we can cap it as follows, unless someone has a compelling case where they'd need more for a special? This way everyone gets flexibility and no validation and based on everyone's replies so far it would fit all those use cases. And make for stable nodes.
Comments
Yeahhhhhhhhh about that. I don't think I have it in me to try to keep Jab at $40/yr and yours at $60/2yr. It's on a very fine line of basically being impossible.
This would be $365.05 a year. Can you tell my new formula is RAM-heavy?
Some of my old virbotted VMs might qualify:
3 vCPU
12GB RAM
25GB NVMe
1x IPv4
24TB @1gbps
$50/year
3 vCPU
11GB RAM
25GB NVMe
1x IPv4
21TB @1gbps
$41/year
If you want a challenge, try
1 vCPU
2GB RAM
15GB NVMe
1x IPv4
40TB @1gbps
Whoops, glad that's not a real user.
$65 it is then
I need that NVMe for fast backups lol
Redoing all these with a more balanced memory formula but it gets wonky. Similar total cost components.
@fluttershy $29 requested versus $50.02 (annual)
@yoursunny with IPv4 1G/2G/4G $16.61, $20.24, $34.48 (annual)
Then two years:
@yoursunny GreenCloud and 8.8.8 are $69.75 and $18.88 requested but $117.99 and $45.74
@kuroneko23 requested $58 versus $53.40
@netrix requested $25 and $20 versus $31.65 and $28.05
@storm requested $80 versus $$125.99
@Flying_Chinaman first request $126.67 without HDD (but 4x IPv4)
@Flying_Chinaman second stayed at around $83.26
@Jab $59.30 or $37.06 annual with 1.46TB BW.
Have you tested border conditions and verified input?
Last time during Ryzen migration, many MJJs successfully smuggled to Tokyo with F12 browser console.
Ontario Dildo Inspector
Okay so we'll call it V3 and V4. And your RAM is fully missing right? So I'm putting in zero for that.
V3: $38.21/YR
V4: $59.67/YR
V3: $118/YR
V4: $98.33/YR
V3: $107.89/YR
V4: $90.35/YR
V3: $103.03/YR
V4: $101.46/YR
Okay time to try V5 instead of realizing this is an impossible task. But to be fair all yours are BW heavy where we're giving a lot more than we anticipate being utilized on average. It works out well on average, but then we add in Tokyo and so on and it's harder to make the formula favorable.
V4 definitely looks more balanced, I just have to... I don't know.
Trying to avoid this even being a possibility which will unfortunately make things more rigid and not how we want.
On V4 this is $114/yr and I don't know if that's a good thing.
Is virbot coming back?
Want free vps ? https://microlxc.net
How about this specs? (The storage is to store the persistent data)
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Okay V4 is gone but this is V3 vs V5-ish
V3: $142.47/YR
V5: $103.44/YR
This just makes it to where it's impossible to do normal plans so we definitely need to put a memory cap.
That feels like it is still very RAM-heavy
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tragic
Well we have to realize 32GB RAM being used on a 128GB max RAM Ryzen node can basically knock out 25% of its usability for just $103.44/YR.
Don't worry V5 fixes it.
get 4 and get the whole node to yourself
We can code a penalty of some sorts but then this:
hopefully good news for all my backups
Is VirBot a symbiot that has taken over VirMach? Or it's the other way around? I am confused.
Powerful AMD Ryzen VPS (aff)
VirBot pulls all the strings in the background. VirMach is just the PR guy.
I remember writing 1GB. Not sure were it's gone.
V3: $42.27/YR
V5: $41.66/YR
Okay, here's V5 but we'll most likely need to cap it and have minimums for it to work.
@fluttershy $29 requested versus $36.10 (annual) and $57.76 biennial
@yoursunny with IPv4 1G/2G/4G $14.78, $19.42, $32.84 (annual)
@yoursunny GreenCloud and 8.8.8 are $69.75 and $18.88 requested but $97.06 and $38.91
@kuroneko23 requested $58 versus $56.16
@netrix requested $25 and $20 versus $30.67 and $28.79
@storm requested $80 versus $108.62
@Flying_Chinaman first request $112.60 without HDD (but 4x IPv4)
@Flying_Chinaman second stayed at around $74.63
@Jab $59.11 or $36.94 annual with 1.46TB BW.
To make it work I had to basically lower the totals so it's not really 1:1 and I need to try to lift some of them somehow without affecting others as much.
This formula is closest to our Special 512 for $22 though.
After going through the last 170 new posts I realized I need my coffee because I have no clue what's going on.
V5 Final: $127.87
Is this something you actually wanted for using/a project?
Probably one day when I have projects that reach certain scale... I am thinking it could be an interesting Redis/DB Server, but then 32GB is too huge, my existing 8GB plan is already more than sufficient.
食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.
Anyone tried migration to Frankfurt lately? I tried like 2 weeks ago, it was returning 500.
I would like to migrate one VPS, but I would need to add money first and there is no reason to add money if transfer not working!
also there is no reason to add 3$, so I would need to add like 20$... and that would make me vulnerable to BF deals!
Eh, decisions, decisions, decisions.
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Okay V6 fits pretty much all the normal constraints after I normalize the numbers into wholes.
It got "fixed" for the 348th time yesterday
Some guy added like $1000 in funds in $10 increments or something stupid like that so I had to raise the minimum. Oh yeah like $2000 in chargeback fees.
People don't stop to amaze me, in the wrong way of course.
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Okay so this was the actual idea:
Configurator that allows you to pick exactly what you want, instead of messy flash deals in the way they were. We either need to add a bunch of validators and limits, or we can let people go crazy with it as long as we are allowed to step in if you go too crazy and provide you a refund without people complaining which is essentially impossible.
So I think I should release it as a "beta" where people try to find the weirdest specifications or do all the shady things they want but I'm trying to figure out how to do that where we preserve actual costs and give it away for free or basically everyone knows it will be refunded, or maybe we just send an email hey don't use this for 7 days we'll extend your service, within 7 days we'll either cancel/refund or you get to keep it.
Chargeback on top of refund, mostly because "FUCK YOU" and sometimes because "YOUR REFUND TAKES TOO LONG, CHARGEBACK WILL BE FASTER" or "I DIDN'T READ EMAILS, YOUR PROBLEM NOW"
Also this seems like fucking impossible to balance nodes... one guy with 120$ will probably hog like 1/4 of resources (because he don't need RAM, but he needs CPU or the other way around) and everyone gonna be pissed off because of him.
I like your idea, but no one in the world is running this for a reason. :-)
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Now here's one big problem:
RAM price. We settled at $5 per 1GB per 2 years, but if we do it by MB increments it means half a cent which WHMCS doesn't support and if we do per 1GB then 1GB is the least you can get. If we do per 512MB it works but then it'll look gross unless we code something out specifically for it which we've done... 8 years ago if I can remember. If we do that then we can actually just do it in like 32MB increments technically.
Dropdowns = no cool slider and I have to basically add in every conceivable amount people would want.
Bandwidth, same thing but a little less confusing if we just go in 100GB increments.
Validator idea goes something like this:
Keep it all based on RAM for it to be easier. Maybe for the CPU one given the plans people were interested in we could do 1GB minimum instead. Then 35GB disk and 1 Core can both be tied to 1GB RAM. Port speed might as well be tied to RAM too, 1GB or more RAM = 1Gbps. Less = 500Mbps.
Limits would have to look like:
Let me know if anyone disagrees.
so, the thing that make price go up in here is RAM?
then, what about smaller RAM plan, something like webhosting24 Ryzen SG KVM:
512MB DDR4 RAM
7GB NVMe SSD
1 vCore Ryzen CPU
250GB @ 1Gbps
1x IPv4 & /112 IPv6
$20/2YR or $15/1YR + 10$ fee
This would be $19.70 per 2 years and $12.31 per year
Sorry - then this will mostly look like pre-defined offers if CPU/RAM/DISK are tied up in such simple ratios and you will get 'wiggle room' only for bigger shit, which knowing those kind of sliders offers will probably end cheaper to just go +1 on everything.
Plus can WHMCS even handle that many different types of products? Will you add all those types to CD images etc? This seems like PITA to handle.
I know that you love BF (and we fucking too!), but I have a feeling this year you should kinda avoid more manual work and wild experiments :P [Especially that there is like 25 days left?]
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It's one product.
What would it have to be for it not to feel that way? Just so we basically stop someone from going out of bounds to the extreme.
Maybe just the lower and upper limits will be enough. Thing is just like video games someone will figure out how to break it so it's best I guess we break it now than later.
What about increments? If possible:
32MB for RAM
5GB? 10GB? for Disk
1 Core for CPU
100GB for BW
1 for IPv4
How about do some Machine Learning?
The bot will randomly generate some specs and price, where you can rate the price from (priced too low) 1 to 5 (priced too high). With such information, it can train to generate a price that is just nice to what you would expect to happen
until edge cases happen, which you might need some safety check
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Upper bounds testing:
If 16GB for RAM, that would mean 16GB, 5GB disk, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $96.70/2YR
If 8 Core for CPU, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $72.86/2YR
If 20TB for BW, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 20TB BW, 1 IPv4 for $56.66/2YR
If 1TB for disk, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 1 IPv4 for $118.76/2YR
If 8x IPv4, that would mean 32MB RAM, 1 CPU, 5GB Disk, 100GB BW, 8 IPv4 for $72.87/2YR
Can anyone think of any reason someone would decide to order such a thing? I guess if they do with these bounds though we'd be comfortable honoring it.
I assume these two could be the most dangerous, but CPU has itself covered with fair use. Memory, not so much. Would max 8GB be too restricting? Or would it fit 99% of use cases. What about 6 cores?
That just translated to
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virmach, You can archive the old cancel order which many many years ago to speed your website.
It is so boring that pages of old orders are in my web panel.
Correct, the prices will be laid out when ordering. RAM-heaviest was $7 or so. CPU heaviest was $15 or so. Disk-heaviest was $0.30 or so. BW heaviest was $7 or so. IP heaviest was around $12 or so.
(And for those formulas obviously something else went down.)
We added this some time ago, I'll try to see when it broke and if we can fix it.
It would overall work better if we can cap it as follows, unless someone has a compelling case where they'd need more for a special? This way everyone gets flexibility and no validation and based on everyone's replies so far it would fit all those use cases. And make for stable nodes.
8GB RAM
500GB NVMe
6 CPU
20TB BW
4 IPv4
Just click 'Active' and it will load active only next time you click "Services".
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